Christians can celebrate the birth of Christ as did the angels and the shepherds and later the Magi regardless of what day of the year Jesus was born. Every day belongs to the Lord whether pagans have attached their deities names to them or not. So we can reclaim every day for the Father and the Son and worship Christ, not only for his birth and his death but also for his life, his promises, his word, his grace his resurrection, his Ascension and his rule in our lives by His amazing Holy Spirit.
Vanderhoven7
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why celebrate xmas?
by enoughisenough inmany on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.
one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.
( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Vanderhoven7
Tonus,
Prophecy, published in 1929. Pages 64,65 mentions 1874 as the date that Christ's invisible 'presence' began.
Thank you...again this points to the early 30s for the WTS switch of the parousia from 1874 to 1914.
I believe it was 1876 when Russell became convinced of the 1874 second coming. This means that the WTS taught the 1874 invisible presence for over 60 years, 38 in which Jesus was totally absent.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Thank you for both quotations.... that settles that 1914 was taught as early as 1932.
I wonder when the last mention was made of the 1874 second coming.
The Society may have made the switch from 1874 to 1914 in 1927. That is when they changed the start of the first resurrection from 1878 to 1918.
"One of the many enlightening truths that God now gave his witnesses was about the members of God's spiritual nation who had died physically. This was in 1927. In that year the witnesses understood that the dead spiritual Israelites had been raised in 1918 to life in heaven with Christ Jesus. It was an invisible resurrection, of course." From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained p.192
BUT of course, since Paradise.....Regained was published in 1958, I'm not sure how trustworthy their historical hindsight is.
Probably safe to conclude the early 1930s saw 1914 becoming official teaching.
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Merry Christmas
by jhine ini don't think that it's too early for my annual merry christmas thread .
merry christmas everyone.
jan .
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Vanderhoven7
Joyeux noël à tous de la nation québécoise! -
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Vanderhoven7
Excellent, I thought that 1874 was changed to 1914 in the early 1930s. I stand corrected. Thank you!
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Vanderhoven7
Yes I'd like to see one of the first times WTS literature points to 1914 as the date for Christ's visitation instead of 1874.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Vanderhoven7
Fisherman
Biblically speaking, of course, there was plenty of hard evidence that Jesus was the Messiah. Sodom would have repented had they seen the hard evidence that Jesus miracles provided.
What evidence should convince Bible believers that Rutherford et al were chosen in Brooklyn in 1919?
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Vanderhoven7
Is there documented evidence that the 1914 parousia was not believed and taught by Watchtower until Rutherford's death?
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Vanderhoven7
Yes, and it wasn't till the early 1930s that they taught the new date for Christ's parousia was 1914. Until then you couldn't be a consecrated Christian if you did not believe Christ's advent did not occur in 1874.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Vanderhoven7
There is no evidence that the governing body of the WT/JW religion was chosen by Jehovah/Yahweh God
And there is plenty of evidence it wasn't.