Posts by Vanderhoven7

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JWs don't consider older WT as revelant

by enoughisenough in

i am relating this happening.

i shared some thoughts from the 1989 question from readers concerning christ being mediator between god and man ( the wt spinning that he isn't ) and also the paragraph in that same article that plainly says: clearly, then the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind.

it is a carefully arranged legal provision involving god and anointed christians.

Vanderhoven7

Enough

I would respond

So you acknowledge that this is what your organization taught in 1989 but now you are saying that this doctrine has changed.

Can you provide me a quotation from your literature that demonstrates that this teaching has changed? If not, I can't accept that this fundamental doctrine has changed.

If you say now that Jesus shed his blood for all then he shed his blood for you. So do you partake of the symbol of his blood at the memorial?

Why not? His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sin. Have your sins been forgiven by that blood? ??? Or does your death pay for all your sins so that you really don't need the blood of the New Covenant to be applied to your life?

If you are not in the New Covenant, under which Covenant are your sins forgiven?

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AI on Biblical Sheep

by Vanderhoven7 in

my son sean, who is a pastor, decided to ask ai.. "who does the bible consider sheep and how does an individual become a sheep?".

turns out that wt non-leaders should consult ai instead of relying on their writing department.. ai writes:.

"in the bible, sheep are often used as a metaphor for followers of god or believers.

Vanderhoven7

@ Smiddy

It was a fun exercise. Next time we should ask AI who the biblical "other sheep" are to see if we are pointed to followers of a religion with headquarters in New York.

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AI on Biblical Sheep

by Vanderhoven7 in

my son sean, who is a pastor, decided to ask ai.. "who does the bible consider sheep and how does an individual become a sheep?".

turns out that wt non-leaders should consult ai instead of relying on their writing department.. ai writes:.

"in the bible, sheep are often used as a metaphor for followers of god or believers.

Vanderhoven7

My Son Sean, who is a pastor, decided to ask AI.

"Who does the Bible consider sheep and how does an individual become a sheep?"

Turns out that WT non-leaders should consult AI instead of relying on their writing department.

AI writes:

"In the Bible, sheep are often used as a metaphor for followers of God or believers. The term is used to describe individuals who have placed their faith in God and are willing to follow His commands.

In the New Testament, Jesus frequently referred to himself as the Good Shepherd, and his followers as his sheep. For example, in John 10:27-28, Jesus says, "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." This passage suggests that those who listen to Jesus and follow him are considered his sheep and will receive eternal life.

To become a sheep in the biblical sense, one must first recognize their need for a savior and put their faith in Jesus Christ. This involves acknowledging that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins, and committing to follow him as Lord and Savior. Once an individual makes this decision, they become part of the family of God, and are considered one of His sheep. This is a lifelong commitment to follow Christ and obey His commands, which is the mark of a true believer.

Got any other evidence that AI knows better than Watchtower?

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A new Tony Morris thread: Question

by XBEHERE in

i am not trying to hijack the already well commented on thread on this subject .

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5068920948523008/breaking-news-anthony-morris-iii-no-longer-serving-on-governing-body.

however i do have a question: for pimo's, pimq's, and those who still go to meetings in person fairly regularly... is anyone still talking about this?

Vanderhoven7

https://youtu.be/rtJy7J5m7z4

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anyone thinking it good you left the JW

by enoughisenough in

a jw friend and i used to frequent a local restaurant together so often that if one of us showed up the waiter/owner would ask if the other was coming as well.

today i went there for lunch.

he asked if ??

Vanderhoven7

Kudos to your cousin!

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Vanderhoven7

Why are they scrubbing Anthony's videos on JW.org?

https://youtu.be/eDre6vHCzBc

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Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i've never been a witness so i never left.

graeme hammond writes:.

for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

Vanderhoven7

The Berean church I am associated with in the US does not believe the Trinity or that the soul is immortal or that the punishment for sin is eternal torment. They believe in one God, Jehovah and that Jesus is His only begotten Son. They are against war and are for holy living.

So on what bases would your organization conclude that they could not know and love God and His Son?

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Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i've never been a witness so i never left.

graeme hammond writes:.

for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

Vanderhoven7

Re: Are there not Christians in the world other than those affiliated with your organization that obey God's commands?

"Not as JW understand the Bible."

Tell me what biblical commands do they not obey?

By the way unlike the Watchtower faith, the one faith delivered to the saints has not changed one iota.

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Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i've never been a witness so i never left.

graeme hammond writes:.

for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

Vanderhoven7

Fisherman

"God is the ultimate judge. WT claims to be God’s agency on earth."

Strange that you cannot judge whether those not affiliated with your organization may know and love Father and Son.

After all God's unique agency on eartn has no qualms about judging millions who were martyred in previous centuries for faith in Christ as non Christians. Similarly they judge that those not affiliated with your organization who name the name of Christ today are not Christians.

What is it about affiliation with your organization that might make JWs uniquely capable of knowing and loving Jehovah and His Son?

Are there not Christians in the world other than those affiliated with your organization that obey God's commands?

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Rich Man and Lazarus

by Ding in

i have never understood the watchtower's explanation of the rich man and lazarus story jesus told in luke 16. of course, they don't believe jesus is talking about what happens in an "afterlife" after people die.. but from the watchtower's point of view:.

1. who are the five brothers?.

2. why can't lazarus go witness to them?

Vanderhoven7

Wow! This is an excellent thread...that merits a resurrection.