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Vanderhoven7
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AMIII reappointed at GB
by Gorb inbethel's morning worship was concluded with the announcement that antony morris iii is reappointed at the governing body with effect from july 2, 2025.. the reason for this deeply considered decision is the new understanding of toasting before consuming a drink.
the appointment of brother morris is an evidence of jehovah's blessing on the careful and conscientious efforts of the governing body.. g. .
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Bible-based versus Biblical
by Vanderhoven7 injehovah’s witnesses continue to say their religion is completely bible-based as if this proves they are the one true religion.. gilles gray writes:.
jehovah’s witnesses have a hard time understanding/accepting that the mere fact their teachings are ‘bible-based’ doesn’t establish that those teachings are true/biblical.. the most obvious, simple logic highlights their misconception….
jehovah’s witnesses and their organisation have a long history of untrue and failed bible teachings.. for example, the watchtower once claimed that:-.
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Vanderhoven7
Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to say their religion is completely Bible-based as if this proves they are the one true religion.
Gilles Gray writes:
Jehovah’s Witnesses have a hard time understanding/accepting that the mere fact their teachings are ‘Bible-based’ doesn’t establish that those teachings are true/biblical.
The most obvious, simple logic highlights their misconception…
Jehovah’s Witnesses and their Organisation have a long history of untrue and failed bible teachings.
For example, the Watchtower once claimed that:-
- The time of the end began in 1799
- Jesus returned in 1874
- Jesus took up his kingly rule in 1878
- The sealing of the anointed ended in 1881
- Armageddon would take place in 1914
- Armageddon would take place in 1915
- There was proof conclusive that millions living in 1921 would never die
- The ancient worthies would be resurrected in 1925, just before Armageddon
- The Generation who were alive and aware of the events in 1914 would by no means pass away until after the Great Tribulation
- The end would come before the end of the 20th century
- The identity of the Faithful Slave was all of the anointed Christians during the last days
- Etc…
All of the Watchtower’s untrue/failed teachings above were claimed to be what the bible says. Every teaching was ‘Bible-based’ and supported by scriptural references to verify that those teachings were true. They were taught with the very same conviction that Jehovah’s Witnesses preach their current bible teachings today.
Despite the fact that every one of the Watchtower’s former discarded bible teachings was ‘based on the bible’, not one of them was true.
Therefore, simple straightforward logic dictates that the mere fact that a teaching is ‘Bible-based’, doesn’t prove that that teaching is biblical. It could very well be untrue, like all of Jehovah’s Witnesses untrue and failed bible teachings.
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Steve Let has been cloned
by JohnR1975 inhe looks completely different and he doesn’t do that raised eyebrows and funny mouth that he used to.
and something is going on with his hair.
is it a combover or a wig or is that even him?
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Vanderhoven7
Yes I noticed the difference as well. AI generation no doubt.
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Wally looks happy enough but JWs are not the only cult around.
L. Ron Hubbard is missing.
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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@Aqwsed
Do you believe the Catholic Church's plan of salvation includes Protestant Trinitarians who reject
a.the authority of the Catholic Church and it's Magisterium
b. Apostolic succession
c. Transubstantiation
c. the Sacrament of Confession
d. Veneration of and prayer to Mary
e. Immaculate Conception of Mary
f. the sinlessness of Mary
g. the perpetual virginity of Mary
h. the Assumption of Mary
i. Veneration of and prayer to Saints
j. Purgatory
Or are Protestants not really saved or sanctified as true Christians according to the Church's understanding?
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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@SB
Imagine 8 million JWs do not require Christ's blood for the forgiveness of sin, nor Christ's righteousness imputed to them.
"It follows that all whose destiny is the earth, the foregoing ones mentioned, would have no need of having righteousness imputed to them.
After such ones achieve actual perfection at the end of the Millennium and then pass a final test, they will be in a position to be declared righteous for everlasting human life.” WT Dec 15, 1985 p.30
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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@Rattigan350
The religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not biblical. Every doctrine which is unique to their religion is not found in the Bible.
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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@Aqwsed
"The soldier on the Roman frontier, the Chinaman of the twelfth century, the Bedouin infant who dies in the cradle do not disprove Christ’s sentence; rather, the Holy Spirit, “who blows where He wills,” can interiorly move such souls at the moment of conscience to accept the light available to them and, if they persevere in that obedience, dispose them for the final illumination by which Christ makes Himself known. When that happens—whether in the last heartbeat of earthly life or in a secret inspiration long before—the soul no longer stands in the state described in John 8:24, because the very grace that binds it to Christ also infuses the theological virtue of faith."
Absolute sophistry my friend! Muslims, no matter what inclinations they may have, do not believe:
a. Jesus is the Son of God.
b. Jesus died on the cross for our sins
c. Jesus rose again from the dead for our justification.
You offer false hope based on the sentiments of men.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.Jn.3:36
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. I Jn.5:11-12 -
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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Vanderhoven7
Thanks Sea Breeze for those revealing quotations!
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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@Aqwsed
"Within that framework it is possible for a Muslim to be saved, not because Islam possesses a parallel salvific apparatus, nor because its denial of the Trinity is rendered harmless, but because the Holy Spirit can translate the fragmentary shoots of natural religion—fear of the Creator, sorrow for sin, rudimentary trust in divine mercy—into supernatural virtues that secretly bind the soul to Christ."
That's just the word of men. Here is what Jesus says:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Jesus did not say you don't have to believe I am the Son of God, that I died for your sins and that I rose again for your justification as long as you have parallel salvific apparatus.