Posts by MeanMrMustard

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What proof is there that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919?

by VM44 in

what proof is there that jesus inspected all the religions or the earth in 1919 and then chose the bible students?.

just because the watchtower says in its literature that they were chosen is not proof!.

MeanMrMustard

@Albert Einstein:

*shrugs* of course... its totally obvious. If it wasn't for our hatred for Jah, or our laziness (not wanting to do field-service), we would all acknowledge this openly, be at every meeting, underline our watchtower magazine each weekend, live in small apartments so that we could pioneer each month (even though we have 5 kids), and wear suits everywhere (even when we garden). We would even get a little tent in our pants when we think about the excitement of family study night. Or the spritual food we get at the district convention.

But alas! Our inability to realize the obvious is keeping us from such gleeful delight.

MeanMrMustard

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What proof is there that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919?

by VM44 in

what proof is there that jesus inspected all the religions or the earth in 1919 and then chose the bible students?.

just because the watchtower says in its literature that they were chosen is not proof!.

MeanMrMustard

@Morbidzbaby:

You wrote: " So in other words, Jesus was out shopping for a Publicist???"

Well, isn't that what they say occured? Technically, he went out looking for his "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ... which was around since the first century. In 1914, the Kingdom was established and it was time to find the servant that was giving food at the proper time. It just so happened that the FDS, by the time of Russel, had attached itself to the WTB&TS, or so they claim. It doesn't matter that the "food" they were giving wasn't truth... it doesn't have to be truth, just "food at the proper time". I guess it was proper for the time, even though it was false. But no matter, Jesus quickly fixed up his wise servant by putting them in jail because of their wrong practices and teachings. He cleaned them up spic-and-span... except for the next decade that they kept on celebrating Christmas and using the cross. But that's just details. Its ONLY ten years, and its perfectly OK to ingnore a ten year discrepancy. After all, they can arrive at 607 BC as the fall of Jerusalem by ignoring a twenty year discrepancy in the evidence; so 10 years is nothing...

Like I said... its a mess...

MeanMrMustard

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What proof is there that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919?

by VM44 in

what proof is there that jesus inspected all the religions or the earth in 1919 and then chose the bible students?.

just because the watchtower says in its literature that they were chosen is not proof!.

MeanMrMustard

Followup to my last post...

Which is why Carl Olof Jonsson's work is like the universal acid to the WT theology... take out 1914, and you remove even the erroneous "proof" and they are left with nothing more than what you see in the DVD - because 'the Bible students were just OBVIOUSLY it! DUH!'

MeanMrMustard

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What proof is there that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919?

by VM44 in

what proof is there that jesus inspected all the religions or the earth in 1919 and then chose the bible students?.

just because the watchtower says in its literature that they were chosen is not proof!.

MeanMrMustard

@VM44,

You ask, "Again, what is the proof?"

I think they give "proof" - its just that the "proof" they give has been shown to be erroneous. If pressed, I think Splane would cite 1914 as the end of the gentile times - meaning Jesus would have to be out looking for some organization to represent him on earth. It wouldn't be any of the nasty Trinitarians... or even those hellfire-believing Unitarians (those dirty bastards). So, it would have to be a group working on the good news (and remember, any group claiming they have the real "good news" would be saying the gentile times ended in 1914..), eagrly awaiting Jesus, around 1914, non-trinitarian, really wanting truth from the Bible. Of course, Splane would say, the Bible Students fit this description perfectly. Then he would try to tie the events of 1918 (their "captivity") into a few verses in Revelation... and VOILA.... a "proof"...

Here is what I mean... from the WT:

*** w89 4/1 pp. 11-12 pars. 6-8 Hear What the Spirit Says to the Congregations ***
6 But these messages to the seven congregations have an even wider application. At Revelation 1:10, John says: “By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day.” This verse is an important key to unlocking the understanding of Revelation. It indicates that it applies primarily to “the Lord’s day,” which began when Jesus became King in 1914. This understanding is confirmed by Jesus’ messages to the seven congregations. In them we find expressions such as these words to Pergamum: “I am coming to you quickly.” (Revelation 2:16; 3:3, 11) After 96 C.E., Jesus did not ‘come’ in any significant way until he was enthroned as King in 1914. (Acts 1:9-11) Then, in fulfillment of Malachi 3:1, he ‘came’ again in 1918, when he came to Jehovah’s temple to judge first the household of God. (1 Peter 4:17) He will ‘come’ once more, in the near future, when he “brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.”—2 Thessalonians 1:7, 8; Matthew 24:42-44.
7 With this in mind, we understand that the seven congregations picture all congregations of anointed Christians after 1914, and the seven stars represent all anointed elders in those congregations. Moreover, elders who are of the “other sheep” are also, by extension, in Jesus’ right hand of control. (John 10:16) And the counsel to the seven congregations applies in principle to all the congregations of God’s people today around the world, including those made up of Christians with an earthly hope.
8 When Jesus came to inspect professed Christians in 1918, he found anointed Christians on earth trying hard to observe the words of the prophecy. Since the 1870’s they had been warning people of the importance of the year 1914. They had suffered much at the hands of Christendom during the first world war, and in 1918 their work virtually ceased when the leading officials of the Watch Tower Society were imprisoned on false charges. But their experiences at that time match the prophecies in Revelation to a marvelous degree. And their determination to heed Jesus’ words to the seven congregations identified them without a doubt as the only light-bearing Christians in this benighted world. Today, this remnant makes up a John class that lives to see and participate in the fulfillments of many parts of Revelation.

They provide "proof"... its just that the "proof" is acceptable only to those fully emersed in the cult logic.

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What proof is there that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919?

by VM44 in

what proof is there that jesus inspected all the religions or the earth in 1919 and then chose the bible students?.

just because the watchtower says in its literature that they were chosen is not proof!.

MeanMrMustard

This is why 1914 is so important. Their "proof" for 1919 is 1914 and the subsequent "captivity", which they connect to all sorts of scriptures that have nothing to do with it. To the WT, the Kingdom was set up in 1914. Jesus needed to pick his earthly representatives at that point. He picked the WT because, well, they were lesser of all the evils. It seems that they were "sincere" and "on the watch", so they were it! But they were filthy with Babylonian-the-Great-like practices. As the WT says:

*** w55 5/1 p. 266 Part 9—Postwar Revival of the Witnesses ***

For example, up to and including their 1918 troubles these witnesses of the Most High God still trusted excessively in so-called “character development,” indulged in considerable creature worship, accepted earthly political governments as the “superior authorities” ordained of God (Rom. 13:1, NW), and thus were held in fear of man, particularly civil rulers. Also they celebrated some pagan holidays, such as Christmas, they used the symbol of the cross as a sign of Christian devotion, the name of Jehovah they had in the background, and organizationally they continued to practice the democratic style of local congregational government.

So Jesus sends them off into a Babylonian-like captivity for year. This is why the leadership was sent to prison. It wasn't Satan. It was Jesus... he was "refining" them. They emerge in 1919 all cleansed and ready to serve! Well, not really cleansed... I guess you can say they were "cleansed".. since they still used the cross and celebrated Christmas into the late 1920s.... In any case, if you loose 1914, you loose 1918... and 1919... And of course, you loose 1914 if 607 turns out to be false... or any of the other speculations in between 607 and 1914, like the year-day "principle".... *shrugs*... Its a mess....

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Hey fellas, would you cheat on this woman? Beautiful, but deadly.

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

it might be kind of risky........ .

i never heard of her until today.

leryn franco.

MeanMrMustard

@miseryloveselders:

" It might be kind of risky......."

Yeah, but how would you feel if she had leg warmers on?? :)

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What makes leg warmers attractive on a woman?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

whats the science on leg warmers?

why is that i can see a woman with socks on and it does absolutely nothing for me, but i see leg warmers, and i'm intrigued?.

not hot.

MeanMrMustard

Because you have your own personal freak-flag... fly it miseryloveselders.... fly it!

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No Part of The World Circuit Assembly Highlights

by DavinciCodeBreaker in

well this past weekend was pretty much as predicted, the demonstrations were probably the worst i have ever seen.

you know the ones i mentioned on a post last week where in the middle the participant has a sudden epiphany!

here is a sampling of just a few.. .

MeanMrMustard

@minimus: I was holding it down until you said that....

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Does anyone high up in the organization KNOW they use mind control techniques or is it just ingrained

by Mad Sweeney in

we all know the techniques they use.

control of behavior.

control of information.

MeanMrMustard

@ProdicalSon,

Good Lord! - 1 of 14?? 14??? I seriously will need to reserve some time to watch these. The first few minutes about how the government is keeping this secret away from people is wierding me out. Also, that studies have been done at "top level universities", with no specific mention of any particular university...

But maybe its all further down in the series... of ... yes.. 14!!! videos....

Do you have an abridged version?

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Does anyone high up in the organization KNOW they use mind control techniques or is it just ingrained

by Mad Sweeney in

we all know the techniques they use.

control of behavior.

control of information.

MeanMrMustard

Just curious, what sort of device do you use to measure the "frequency" coming from human emotion? Are these emo-waves subject to reinformcement and cancellation interference? Can we also consider these waves as cooresponding to a particle of nature? ProdicalSon, I've never heard of a particle like this. You know, the person that discovers a new particle of nature gets to name it! I suggest a hierarchy ... the parent particle could be called an "emotron". Some examples of the "emotron" are "smileatron" and "angryatron".... on the far ends of the energy spectrum you have "elatedatron" and "fuckyouatron"...