@lovelylil:
I know the exact image. I found it on google images within 10 seconds after my last post. You did well matching the font and color.
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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@lovelylil:
Yeah, I actually have the recording playing in the background while I work and he keeps saying that Jonny could be the biggest thing since Ray Franz. You said it correctly in your first statement once you voiced your concerns: We were all taken by the WT, and we have learned our lesson not to be so gullible. It is also strange that he blurred out his face and name on the ID card (Joe said this on the recording and Jonny confirmed it). Wouldn't that leave nothing but the title, the bethal addresses, phone numbers, etc? Nothing unique about that... why not post it? Jonny says he doesn't want it passed around, but why not?.. if all unique markings have been removed?
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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@lovelylil:
I don't suppose you got to see his bethel ID? I am asking because if Jonny pulled it off the internet somewhere and "fixed" it up, it would be found out rather easily...
I just listened to the recording again, and Jonny, without hesitation, asked for Mary's email address so that he could send (e-mail) evidence that would lay to rest any doubt in her mind... convenient.
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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Wow... this is pretty crazy.
To Lil - good for you for speaking up! You don't have any reason to cry. Smile, you are in the right.
To Rick -
Don't you think its time to get Jonny to produce some evidence? Everyone has been asking for evidence from the start. His story is way too extreme to be believed without a fair amount of evidence. What's strange is that Jonny claims to have all sorts of evidence.. its just nuts. You should thank Lil for being a voice of reason on your call.
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How Many JWs Have You known Who Have Commited Suicide?
by Was New Boy injames olsen and richaed wheellock both bethelites.. rich templet.
rich and james out of guilt, richard out of depression.. james and rich were both under 30 years old.. after richard wheelock (a bethel heavy) killed himself the society changed it's stand on whether suicides could be resurrectioned or not..
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I know of 3, personally.
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How do you explain to worldly people why Jehovahs Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays?
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You can give the "worldly" (i.e. normal) person a run down of the three main reasons (its promotes self, bad stuff happened in the bible when a birthday is mentioned, and it has roots in pagan tradition). Then explain why each of those reasons is logically unsound, followed by a summary of : "They don't celebrate because they are told not to celebrate. There are no good reasons. Its a cult after all."
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Watch Tower Society Facing Criminal Charges and Indictment in Australia
by AndersonsInfo inandersonsinfo is reporting the following news about the "criminal charges and indictment of the watch tower society in australia" by taking some extracts from different parts of jehovah's witness, steven unthank's blog site, http://www.jwnews.net.
please go to the blog to understand the "indictment" and for detailed reading there is much more information found in a:.
pdf version of the 664 page document "the submission 2011" being the:.
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@AndersonInfo:
You wrote:
I went to Steven Unthank's blog, www.jwnews.net, a few minutes ago and learned quite a bit more about his cause. Among other things, I learned that there is no fee to get a back-ground check for religious volunteers. The WWC website said there was a fee for applicants, but when I read the information on that website a few days ago, I didn't see that the fee didn't apply to religions.
Wow, so that changes some things. Serveral posters (including me) have wondered what the motivation might be for not complying with the law. If the above statement is true, then its NOT money. It's not a political issue either (since getting one of these licenses is no different than licensing yourself to drive a car). So I am really wondering if the WTS knows they have a substantial number of active, serving elders in Austrailia who have some history in child molestation. Or even a good number of former elders, but still active congregation members that have child molestation issues in the past...
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That's a cool library. Very cool..
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Watch Tower Society Facing Criminal Charges and Indictment in Australia
by AndersonsInfo inandersonsinfo is reporting the following news about the "criminal charges and indictment of the watch tower society in australia" by taking some extracts from different parts of jehovah's witness, steven unthank's blog site, http://www.jwnews.net.
please go to the blog to understand the "indictment" and for detailed reading there is much more information found in a:.
pdf version of the 664 page document "the submission 2011" being the:.
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@jwfacts:
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MMM - I highly doubt this would be extended to all JW Ministers, despite the Watchtower using that to its advantage when it can, such as getting out of military service. It will most likely only be applied to Elders. In the child abuse cases that the Watchtower has lost in the past, the cases have specifially been about abuse from elders.
Surely it would have to apply to ministerial servants too. In the congregations that I've attended, ministeral servants were much more active with the children than the elders were. They were more personable, a bit younger, and most had kids of their own. They were used in matters of discipline as well (when it involved a counseling-like offense, not necessarily a judical committee level offense).
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Watch Tower Society Facing Criminal Charges and Indictment in Australia
by AndersonsInfo inandersonsinfo is reporting the following news about the "criminal charges and indictment of the watch tower society in australia" by taking some extracts from different parts of jehovah's witness, steven unthank's blog site, http://www.jwnews.net.
please go to the blog to understand the "indictment" and for detailed reading there is much more information found in a:.
pdf version of the 664 page document "the submission 2011" being the:.
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@Aussie Oz and @kjw53
Aussie Oz wrote:
I think, The WT likes to call them selves ministers when it suits them and not if that suits them too.
They are very quick to invoke eccleisatical privelege as 'ordained Ministers' when their so called ministry or staus is questioned and will hide behind it.
At other times when it seems that the label will lead to taxation or complience to some law, all of a sudden they are just humble christians...well, thats my perception.
oz
True. I can see that happening too. But that's why I mention how the WTS itself defines the role of the R&F JW - that at baptism, each becomes an ordained minister in the religion, performing a vital function/role/service/vocation of the religion. Again, I'm not doubting that the WTS could put on a double face, so-to-speak. I'm just wondering how far someone could push it.
In the course of my JW lifetime, I've been a part of four different congregations, and I've seen parents allow children to go out in service with other car groups (separated from the parentss) on a Saturday morning, even if the child was six, seven years old. Would this not be counted as working with children within the bounds of religion's vocation? I'm sure it happens in every congregation.
kjw53 wrote:
One may think that men can make another a true minister of God, but it is God who makes the true ministers. This sights name should be changed to-- Satans mockers of Jehovah. Keep laughing. Thats what they did to Noah.
*shrugs* - OK. I'll agree to that. But in terms of this Australian law, I think how the WTS defines "ordained minister" and how the term is applied by the WTS to its members matters more.
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