Posts by MeanMrMustard

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Hidden program in the new WT CD alerts Bethel who has visited apostate websites!!

by moshe in

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just imagine, if that was a true statement- or maybe it is already in the works?

do you think it is possible?.

MeanMrMustard

@AllTimeJeff:

You wrote:

Good point Mr Mustard. Part of the talent is the leadership needed to pull that off. I don't think the GB has the inclination to do it or the trust in those who would have to do it.
The GB knows it would get out, and I definitely bow to that point. But tracking down IP addresses and linking them to people is one of those "more trouble then what it's worth" scenarios. I don't think it is as simple as it sounds either. If anything
Theoretically, yes, they can do it. But they aren't set up for it, don't trust those who would do it, and would much rather DF you then track you down.

Just thought of something. Let's say WT turns on some IP logging, and they gather the IP addresses of their elders logging into wt.org. They would then throw an image here and there on JWN and do some IP matching. With these trojan pictures, they find that elder XYZ has been viewing JWN threads 1200 times a month. The CO is contacted and elder XYZ is dragged into a back room the next meeting and confronted with the evidence. Elder XYZ immediately states that it was not him, and that it must be one of his children.

CO response: Well, I'm glad to hear it is not you. However, since you don't have your family under control, and they are not all really good uber-witnesses like the Bible says an elder's family should be, we are going to "review your credentials". Later that week, he is removed until such a time as his family stops polluting themselves with apostate material - Or in other words, gets rid of their computer altogether.

In this way, all elders with even a hint apostate on them would be removed....

MeanMrMustard

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

MeanMrMustard

@djeggnog:

In other words, if 607 falls, then it reduces the GB to just a bunch of men, no more appointed by God than my cat...
The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are, in fact, "just a bunch of men," but they have been called and chosen by God to be his spiritual children, and they will soon join the rest of these adopted sons of God now in heaven since Jesus' return to become co-rulers with the Lord Jesus Christ despite what you believe about these men. Not everyone that has read the Bible will respect the words it contains as having been inspired of God, so it is not surprising to hear viewpoints expressed like yours.

At this point, I would normally assume that you are speaking from ignorance. Yet, you have claimed multiple times to be an experienced, active JW. This doesn't look good for you. If we are to believe you are really an experienced JW, there is no way the connection between 607 and 1914 would have escaped your attention. The claimed events of 1914, and the events of the following few years, establish the authority of the "FDS", attach that authority to the WTB&TS, and give the GB their authority as the the representatives of the FDS.

So how are we to view your statement above, in light of your experience and knowledge as an active JW? You must know you can't deceive any of us apostates (yes, this is an apostate site, and no, we don't have to "prove" that to you - it's blatently obvious) with these misleading statements. What do you hope to accomplish other than to sway curious, unknowledgeable readers? Or perhaps it's damage control, knowing full well that my point was valid, that this thread is a world stage, and your attempts to defend the indefensible will ultimately hurt your cause more than help it? Perhaps you now think it would be good to make the above statements, hoping any JWs on the fence would still consider coming down on your side?

The above assumptions are kind. To me, it looks like you are conducting theocratic warefare, and this is tantamount to lying.

You further statements confirm this. You wrote:

I agree with your hypothetical, "if" what you say here should be the case. As to Jehovah's Witnesses being involved in a false ministry to convert people, not one of Jehovah's Witnesses has been given the authority by Christ to convert anyone over to Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses are commanded to preach, but we do not do this in order to convert anyone. Our hope is that those listening to us will prove to themselves that what God's says in his word, the Bible, is the truth, and will repent and turn around or convert from their former course of conduct, take in accurate knowledge of both God and Christ that their faith might increase, and upon their dedication to God, submit to water baptism and thus become one of Jesus' followers that they might be saved.

We do not engage in forced conversions so as to make the people to whom we preach Jehovah's Witnesses.

Who said anything about "forced conversions"? Why did you even bring that up? And you claim that you don't have a ministry to convert people to JWs? That is clearly a huge PR twisting of the facts. So why do you come to the door on Saturday mornings? Perhaps to sell subscriptions to the coffee of the month club?

You are doing us a favor by posting here. Let the world see just how hard you struggle to find any evidence for 607. Let everyone see you deny logic and reason. Let everyone watch your statements degrade into pure lies, in a vain attempt to salvage any position you can.

Keep it up!

MeanMrMustard

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SIXSCREENS - what happened?

by RagingBull in

i went to the sixscreens site to see if rick had posted any new conference calls, but the last one was from the 7th of may.

did he stop them?

was it the johnny "the bethelite" fiasco that put a stop to it all?

MeanMrMustard

@OUTLAW:

LOL .. where in the world do you find these pictures?!

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SIXSCREENS - what happened?

by RagingBull in

i went to the sixscreens site to see if rick had posted any new conference calls, but the last one was from the 7th of may.

did he stop them?

was it the johnny "the bethelite" fiasco that put a stop to it all?

MeanMrMustard

@betterdaze:

You wrote:

I live within walking distance of my local KH. If Rick harassed Memorial attenders in my neck of the woods, I would be the very first person to call him in for a religious hate crime.

Just curious: what do you consider a "religious hate crime"? I thought Rick did his protests peacefully, with banners and the like... He never did anything criminal, did he? Did I miss that somewhere? True, his protests are small (even though they are, at the same time, "world-wide"), but I don't think I could bring myself to stop him or even accuse him of a religious hate crime.

MeanMrMustard

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Gentile Times Reconsidered - Download the Book

by VM44 in

commentary press has made the book "the gentile times reconsidered" available to download.. visit this page for the download location.. [link deleted by request of poster].

MeanMrMustard

@leavingwt,

Woe... I didn't even notice that. Good catch! Guess I should have looked closer after feeling it was unexpected to release the books so publicly...

MeanMrMustard

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Gentile Times Reconsidered - Download the Book

by VM44 in

commentary press has made the book "the gentile times reconsidered" available to download.. visit this page for the download location.. [link deleted by request of poster].

MeanMrMustard

@Witness My Fury:

I agree. I like having digital copies, but having that physical book to read in a chair under a nice lamp, with a great cup of coffee ... well, there is someting to be said for that.

MeanMrMustard

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Gentile Times Reconsidered - Download the Book

by VM44 in

commentary press has made the book "the gentile times reconsidered" available to download.. visit this page for the download location.. [link deleted by request of poster].

MeanMrMustard

Just noticed that Commentary Press is doing this for all the books, including Ray Franz's books... interesting. Any reason why? Not that I think its a bad idea... it will help spread the info. It's just very unexpected.

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

MeanMrMustard

djeggnog wrote:

If you don't believe that Solomon's temple was destroyed in 607 BC (why do you keep bringing up the year 1914, when we are not talking about 1914, are we?), you don't have to believe this to be true.

I've noticed this line of reasoning from family JWs lately, and frankly, I don't understand it. It's as if they say, "If you don't believe that 607 was the date for Jerusalem's fall, no big deal! After all, that doesn't affect much, right? Just keep going to meetings, keep going out in service... just don't express your doubts out loud, and you're golden!"

djeggnog, if 607 is false, then the events attached to 1914 never occured. No invisible return of Jesus, no subsequent appointment of the WTB&TS as God's organization. In other words, if 607 falls, then it reduces the GB to just a bunch of men, no more appointed by God than my cat...

And if that is the case, then the entire idea of a "ministry" to convert people to be JWs is a meaningless and false ministry.

MeanMrMustard

492

607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

MeanMrMustard

@ Witness My Fury:

You wrote:

He's off doing research * Ann, he'll be back shortly. Part of me want's him(?) to bugger off and never come back here, but another part WANTs him to open his eyes and SEE. It is that part of me that has the upper hand at the moment, so I go with that for now.

* I bloody well hope he's off DOING research and carefully making sure of what he believes at any rate.

Don't forget that threads like this one are open to the public - you don't even have to be a member to view it. It does far more damage to the WTB&TS, IMHO, to have an active witness come onto a forum like this and try, as hard as he (or she?) can to defend 607 BC with every argument he (or she?) may have, being met head on by posters that can reveal how shallow and deceptive the 607->1914 world view is. Many lurkers come and read the thread, and for those who are trying to decide, it can make a big difference.

Let eggnog try... that's why the GB wants him (her?) off sites like this. It just becomes an embarassment for them. The GB doesn't want eggnog on here, not because of the spiritual dangers we might pose to eggnog. Rather, it is because eggnog does more damage than we could on our own.

I do think its also proper to document just how much eggnog is deviating from the offical WT partyline, including the GB's admonition not to post on sites like this.

MeanMrMustard

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

MeanMrMustard

@Bungi Bill:
1) Nabonidus, reigned 17 years i.e. 556 - 539 (WT 68 8/15 p.491)
2) Labashi-Marduk, reigned "less than one year" i.e. 556 (WT 65 1/1 p.29)
3) Neriglassar, reigned 4 years i.e. 560 - 556 (WT 65 1/1 p.29)
4) Evil-Merodach, reigned 2 years i.e. 562 - 560 (WT 65 1/1 p.29)
5) Nebuchadnezzar, reigned 43 years i.e. 605 - 562 (WT 00 5/5 p.12)
Not one of the Watchtower articles you cite here provide any of the dates you inserted into your post. Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe these dates you provided in your message to be accurate. You didn't get them from the Watchtower, so where did you get them?

AHHH HA HA HA HAHAHA AHA HAHAHA HA HAHAHAH AH AHAHA AHAHAH AHAH.... Deep breath .... hahaha haha HAH AHAH AHAHHAHAH AHA HAHAHHAHAHAH..

Priceless. That made my whole day. He said it in such a matter-of-fact way too... "so where did you get them?"