A Bible Student... excellent email !!! ... I just hope posters on this board are on their best behaviour if/when Mr. Champion or anyone else from the Public Prosecutions office visits this site... just saying...
Posts by Alfred
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47Victoria, Australia: Results of November 8th Steven Unthank's Court Hearing
by AndersonsInfo inre: results of november 8 court hearing.
yet again, all five cases remain intact and are still in the criminal justice system.
oh, how the wheels of justice turn ever so slowly.. .
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My friend belongs to them now
by fade_away ina friend of mine was born in to this damn religion and managed to avoid getting baptised for 24 years, unlike me who fell for the cruel scam when i was about 15. he is my best and pretty much only friend i have.
i used to pressure him into baptism just a bit when i was a mindless drone, but he always told me he doesn't feel ready and doesn't feel a strong enough love for jehovah to take that step.
all his friends and family were getting baptised during their teenage years but somehow, he managed to avoid the peer pressure and continued to stay neutral.
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Alfred
Inevitably, testastorone levels eventually cloud the judgment of unbaptized JWs who have their eyes on a baptized sister... This natural "chemical reaction" often gets confused with a feeling of spirituality resulting in the hasty decision to get baptized... it's the same story being repeated over and over again...
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Elderelite where is audio from zone meeting that you promise ...
by obarac inyou promise us audio from zone meeting.
you change your mind?.
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Alfred
Obarac...
IMHO... A friendly reminder via PM works a little better than putting someone on the spot...
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Coroner's insight re real reason for refusing transfusion death
by Luo bou to inhttp://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8372556.
quote from coroner "i accept that this doctrine has been an entrenched principle of the jehovah witness religion since 1945 despite considerable debate.. "nevertheless, mrs allen's death most graphically illustrates the consequence of the rigid adherence to that doctrine and brings me to recommend, perhaps forlornly, that the jehovah witness governing body and its elders give consideration to a relaxation of its doctrine".
now there's one judge that doesn't buy the only following his bible trained conscience bullshit.
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Alfred
I still be believe in separation of church and state... But when a religious corporation endangers the lives of thousands of ignorant people who put their trust in continuously changing doctrine, the state really needs to step in at some point and start holding the church leaders accountable.
Jonestown was about to be raided just before everyone drank the koolaid (and that was a one-time event in the People's Church)... On the other hand, JWs of all ages have been drinking the Koolaid continuously for many decades resulting in thousands of avoidable deaths while the state remains on the sidelines as silent observers (under the watchful eye of the ACLU and other organizations)... it's a sick world we live in...
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AJWRB must back away from Lawrence Hughes
by zengalileo inyes, sad to say.
i found out that he lied to me on two occasions.
one, that if he didn't get 500 dollars in 1 (then 2, then 3, then he sort of forgot how many weeks it was supposed to be) week the court would force him to drop the case.
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Alfred
BTT...
My $.02...
IMHO, even if this site's guidelines didn't prohibit solicitation, common sense dictates that it is highly inappropriate to solicit money on these kinds of discussion boards (whether the funds are ultimately used for a good cause or not)...
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How long can one continue as an unbelieving JW?
by mankkeli inis it really possible to continue as a jw but not believing in it anymore.
for how long can one keep up with this pace of life?.
i will appreciate it if any scientific study had been done on this and what has the result showed?..
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Alfred
Why would anyone spend any time or resources conducting a scientific study on non-believing/still-in JW behavior patterns? I think the time and money would be better spent finding a cure for cancer... just saying....
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Both the October 1 & November 1 Watchtowers avoid discussing the 2,520 years!!!
by Alfred indid anyone else notice this?.
the "when was jerusalem destroyed?
" articles in the october 2011 and november 2011 public edition watchtowers were supposed to explain why it was so important to know when jerusalem was destroyed... but none of the two articles makes any mention about how the wt arrived at the 2,520 year calculation (to get to 1914)... did they think no one would notice???
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Alfred
Sab, Sir82 and Mad... so true... and to add to your comments... it's interesting that the October 15, 2011 Study Edition Watchtower contained an article advising JWs that they will no longerrespond to questions on things that JWs can find on their own in the Society's publications... (there was an excellent thread on this recently)... so you're right... these articles exist solely for the purpose of stopping all the questions on chronology (especially the ones that severely diminish the WT's credibility)...
Lost Generation... you're right... they're just a bunch of copycats... but they are so quick to take credit for this 360 X 7 calculation... For example, in their DVD Faith In Action -Part I (2010), Anthony Morris makes the following completely FALSE statement: "The fact that they (the Bible Students) were able to pinpoint that year is just phenomenal"... when he said that, I noticed he was really struggling to keep a straight face...
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Both the October 1 & November 1 Watchtowers avoid discussing the 2,520 years!!!
by Alfred indid anyone else notice this?.
the "when was jerusalem destroyed?
" articles in the october 2011 and november 2011 public edition watchtowers were supposed to explain why it was so important to know when jerusalem was destroyed... but none of the two articles makes any mention about how the wt arrived at the 2,520 year calculation (to get to 1914)... did they think no one would notice???
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Alfred
Jeffro... great stuff on your blog! thanks!
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New KH and lies to the council!
by punkofnice injust before i stepped off being an elder the local congo were buying a piece of land with a building on it to convert (no pun intended), into a kh.. .
one of the things as i understand it was that they were going to have a flat for the co in situ but report to the local authorities that it ws just a janitors flat.
apparently if the council knew it was for the co it would be unacceptable for some reason.
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Alfred
I would report it just to see how this would play out in court (if it got that far)...
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Both the October 1 & November 1 Watchtowers avoid discussing the 2,520 years!!!
by Alfred indid anyone else notice this?.
the "when was jerusalem destroyed?
" articles in the october 2011 and november 2011 public edition watchtowers were supposed to explain why it was so important to know when jerusalem was destroyed... but none of the two articles makes any mention about how the wt arrived at the 2,520 year calculation (to get to 1914)... did they think no one would notice???
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Alfred
Did anyone else notice this?
The "When was Jerusalem Destroyed?" articles in the October 2011 and November 2011 Public Edition Watchtowers were supposed to explain why it was so important to know when Jerusalem was destroyed... But none of the two articles makes any mention about how the WT arrived at the 2,520 year calculation (to get to 1914)... Did they think no one would notice??? I mean really... that's practically the other half of their 607-1914 doctrine and they choose to sweep it under the rug?
Maybe they're just too embarrassed to mention the following...
In 1823, John Aquila Brown played with the idea that a "time" (in Daniel 4) could possibly be the same as a "prophetic year" equalling 360 days and then further assumed that "7 times" could actually be 7 prophetic years (equalling a total of 2,520 days). But, inexplicably, he also assumed that he could simply multiply these 2,520 days by ordinary years of 365 days each.... huh?
In 1844, Edward B Elliott agreed with these ridiculous assumptions and further assumed that these 2,520 years (of 365 days each) are actually the "appointed times of the nations" mentioned in Luke 21:24 and would span from 606 BCE to 1914.
In 1849, Robert Seeley also agreed with these ridiculous assumptions and decided to jump on the "dooms-day" band-wagon as well.
In 1875, Adventist Nelson Barbour became convinced of this as well and even had discussions with Charles Taze Russell about this "intriguing" chronology on a number of occasions. In doing so, Both Barbour and Russell completely ignored Acts 1:7...
In 1876, having been convinced by Nelson Barbour, Russell decides to put his own "twist" on things and drags the Great Pyramid of Egypt into this already flawed chronology, claiming that a certain internal passageway was 1,914 "pyramid inches" long... wtf?
When 1914 failed to produce Armageddon, the Adventists and all other "dooms-dayers" of that time dropped the subject (of the 7 times of the Gentiles), but Russell simply couldn't face embarrassment and began making up excuses from thin air...
I believe that's the gyst of it... I'm working off memory here, so if I missed something, please do correct me... the floor is yours...
Thanks
Alfred