Posts by Alfred

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Jehovah's Witnesses eat blood without thinking about it

by JW10581 in

are jehovah's witnesses allowed to eat the widely used e120 or carmine that is made of insect blood.

it is the whole insect including its blood that is used and if you crush a living cochineal insect you will see its red blood color, i've seen that done on a program on bbc where they also refer to the red as the insect's blood.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tkzb3.

Alfred

JW15801... welcome!

Interesting 1st post... are you on the fence because of a recent issue involving blood transfusions?

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

Thanks everyone for your insight... seems the rules vary from congo to congo from what I'm reading here (even though the GB would probably prefer that everyone follow the elder's manual)...

A little more info just came to light... last night I found out that my nephew actually moved out after a "conversation" with his elder father that went sour very quickly. After my nephew made it clear to his father that he had no intention of ever going back to the kingdom hall, that he will continue to date his non-JW girlfriend and that he is now 18, his father repeatedly suggested to him that it's probably a good idea for my nephew to get his own place as he was concerned that his qualifications might get called into question or his privileges removed. So there wasn't really a forceful push to get him out of the house per say, just your usual WT-style guilt-inducing mental manipulation (which seems to work every time).

However, regardless of what the elder's book says about this scenario or what is put into actual practice, the bottom line here is that, in my brother-in-law's mind, he was basically presented with a choice... a) his son ; b) his privileges

but his JW mentality led him to make the wrong choice, again.... very sickening indeed

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

OTWO... yes... my BIL got rid of the problem by removing it from his home... couldn't the bastard simply step down and keep his son? No... he'd rather keep his status as a well-respected assemby speaker.

Billy... that's what I thought...

thx

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

Knowsnothing.... no lack of elders that I am aware of... on fact, two laid-off bethelites just joined the congo and i believe they were both appointed as elders recently...

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

Thanks Blues brother... seems there are grey areas that are played with depending on the elder's reputation... it's not as cut and dry as I had imagined...

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

Thanks Cedars... he got baptized at 13 or 14.... as far as I know, other than dating a non-JW recently , he has done nothing wrong and doesn't face disfellowshipping (that I am aware of)...

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

Knowsnothing...

Thanks... that's what I thought... just couldn't remember that scripture...

It really annoys me that my brother in law is more concerned about losing his privileges than losing his own son... just goes to show how sick this religion is...

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Question... Does an elder lose his privileges if his 18 year old son stops attending the KH?

by Alfred in

i'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "the lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof.

that is the impression i'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a jw).. while i try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general?

i'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a jw but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated.... thanks.

Alfred

I'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening with my nephew who has recently decided that he no longer wishes to be a part of "The Lie"... it appears that my nephew may have been forced to move out by his elder father who was afraid of possibly losing his privileges by having a non-believing son under his roof. That is the impression I'm getting by talking to my sister (his aunt who is not a JW).

While I try to figure this out... does anyone know if that is a valid possibility in general? I'm referring to the possibility of an elder losing his privileges because his son no longer wishes to be a JW but still lives under the same roof... any insight by recently faded elders would be much appreciated...

thanks

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Elder father sent me an email about Feb 2012 WT - my resposne

by TheStumbler in

i'm not sure if any of you will remember but i posted on here six months ago about a correspondence i was having with my dad, an elder, about who would die in armageddon.

i was asking some tough questions about children being killed in armageddon and i could tell he uncomfortable with the answers he was giving.. i drafted an email in resposne to his email but in the end i decided not to send it in the interest of maintaining friendly relations.. .

last week, out of the blue, my dad sent an email link to the february 2012 watchtower article about armageddon and said it would answer some of my questions.. here is my response which is a critique of the feb 2012 wt article and some of the broader ethics concerning 'armageddon'.

Alfred

Shades of Grey

This question is just another play with words... It asks if JWs believe that they alone will be saved but it doesn't ask the more relevant and specific question which is: "Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they alone will survive Armageddon?". By asking the question the way they did, this gives them an "out". The "out" in this case is that they can now deviate the reader's attention to people in the past (rather than who exactly will surivive Armageddon).

very clever indeed...

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After 100+ years, the Watchtower Society can be summed up in one word...

by Glander in

hubris['hju?br?s], hybris.

pride or arrogance2.

(literary & literary critical terms) (in greek tragedy) an excess of ambition, pride, etc., ultimately causing the transgressor's ruin [from greek]hubristic , hybristicadjthey have been able to attract a core of followers, and, like the bullies they are, hold them through a combination of a fear shunning and the childish vision of eternal life in a new world.

Alfred

Agreed...

although I probably would have chosen h aughty, malicious or avaricious ...