The so-called faithful & discreet slave could have warned us about eating apples and you'll always find some JWs (who are allergic to apples) who will thank the FDS for "discerning the scriptures" as the medical field is now recognizing the dangers of apples in some people. And the same could have been said about practically anything else that enters the human body. JWs have become so dumbed down over the years that most have lost their ability to reason logically... that is why the WT can easily convince them that their ridiculous interpretation of blood-related Bible texts was facilitated by the holy spirit...
Posts by Alfred
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by inbetween ina brother in my hall mentioned in a twist of scriptures how we can thank the faithful slave class for warning us in connection with blood transfusions since 1945, because now the medical field recognises the riscs and try to minimize the use of blood.. despite the fatcs, that this statement is ridicolous in so many ways, i d like to find information (outside the "apostate" realm) that proves, that even allowed fractions are involing the risc of getting hepatitis, aids etc.... that would completely refute such a notion.. thx in advance... .
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Alfred
MsGrowingGirl20... I believe several of us sent you PMs a few weeks ago... not sure if you saw those yet but you have to click on the envelope on the top right corner of this page...
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March 2012 Aux Pioneering
by truthlover inso far what is the response to the aux pioneering this year vs last year?.
in our cong - only 10 so far vs 52 last april.
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Alfred
Last April's extraordinary pioneering numbers were simply a result of many JWs believing that there was quite possibly something "divine" behind the GB's invitation to do a "dirty-thirty"... (that's not to say that peer pressure had nothing to do with it)...
However, since nothing out of the oridinary happened in Dub Land following that campaign, many JWs are quietly realizing that it was nothing more than a push to get some numbers on a scoreboard... not some sort of prelude to the start of the new system...
I believe the GB will put this on the shelf next year and just come out with some Nu-Lite to get everyone excited about going door-to-door during the 2013 memorial season... this "dirty-thirty" doesn't seem to be cutting it any more...
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Help! Strange request for info I heard in a Recorded (gasp!) Talk.
by PaintedToeNail ini heard a recording of a talk by a bro.
who's topic was something to the effect of 'coincidences in the history of wtbts and jehovah's direction'.
i believe it was an american bro., who claimed that a woman who owned a mansion in atlanta, at the time of general sherman's march to the sea, and subsequent burning of atlanta, had her mansion saved.
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Alfred
I've never heard that story. A long time ago, I did hear something about the Rothschilds financing the entire "Creation" film project as well as some early printed work by the Watchtower such as the book "Comfort for the Jews"...
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Attention Governing Body: October 2, 2014 is only 940 days away...
by Alfred inin 1823, john aquila brown (a man who is not mentioned in any wt publication) came up with a bizarre mathematical calculation which totalled 2,520 years (in an unauthorized attempt to predict the end of the gentile times).... several religions recycled this bizarre calculation, including the adventists and the bible students... when armageddon didn't come on the variety of early 20th century dates predicted by several "dooms-day" religions of that time (including charles taze russell's bible students who predicted that the big a would start in 1914), they all finally realized that this 2,520-year calculation was nothing more than arbitrary mathematical speculation derived from erratic biblical extrapolation.... except for the bible students who continued to move up the date for armageddon 2 more times (1918, 1925) and then decided to use wwi as the starting point for the "last days".. all the while, one thing that seems to remain intact is the october 2, 1914 date.
oddly, for the watchtower bible & tract publishing cult, this particular date still marks the end of the 2,520-year period (that john aquila brown referred to in his bizarre 1823 book "the even tide")... again, no mention of this in any watchtower publication.
but, for jws, that date still remains the starting point for the period of time often referred to as the "last days" or even "the generation that shall not pass".. because of this, the governing body has been forced to change the definition of "the generation that shall not pass" countless times since the early 1970's.
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Alfred
In 1823, John Aquila Brown (a man who is NOT mentioned in ANY WT publication) came up with a bizarre mathematical calculation which totalled 2,520 years (in an unauthorized attempt to predict the END of the Gentile Times)...
Several religions recycled this bizarre calculation, including the Adventists and the Bible Students... When Armageddon didn't come on the variety of early 20th century dates predicted by several "dooms-day" religions of that time (including Charles Taze Russell's Bible Students who predicted that the Big A would start in 1914), they all finally realized that this 2,520-year calculation was nothing more than arbitrary mathematical speculation derived from erratic Biblical extrapolation.... except for the Bible Students who continued to move up the date for Armageddon 2 more times (1918, 1925) and then decided to use WWI as the starting point for the "Last Days".
All the while, one thing that seems to remain intact is the October 2, 1914 date. Oddly, for the Watchtower Bible & Tract Publishing Cult, this particular date still marks the end of the 2,520-year period (that John Aquila Brown referred to in his bizarre 1823 book "The Even Tide")... Again, no mention of this in ANY Watchtower publication. But, for JWs, that date still remains the starting point for the period of time often referred to as the "Last Days" or even "the generation that shall not pass".
Because of this, the Governing Body has been forced to change the definition of "the generation that shall not pass" countless times since the early 1970's. But the expiration date of this latest definition is quickly approaching as well as the 100-year anniversay of the END of the Gentile Times (October 2, 2014).
Note to Governing Body: By now, I think you all realize that you are looking like clueless fools. That being said, in 940 days, your credibility will plummet to an all-time low... Do yourselves a favor NOW and admit that this entire doctrine is completely un-Biblical and unauthorized (Acts 1:7).
You have exactly 940 days remaining (until October 2, 2014)... Your time starts... NOW
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Who Knows The Exact Current Interpretation of "Generation" Please!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwould someone please explain the current interpretation of the generation.
this topic is one that is causing alot of confussion and turmoil.
jwn, you.
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Alfred
I asked an elder this question once...
Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was referring to the lives of annointed brothers?
(i'm sure anyone here can pretty much guess what his response to that was, so I won't aggravate you so early in the morning)
Also, assuming the generation happens to span 140 years, for example... 140 years could easily have been the overlapping lives of the "great crowd" or the overlapping lives of Catholics or the overlapping lives of any group for that matter...
Why does this 140-year period herein referred to as the "generation that shall not pass" necessarily have to signify the lives of the "annointed"??? Is the Watchtower trying to give this period a mystical significance so that it carries more weight? What's the point of assigning this period of time exclusively to the annointed???
These guys are totally full of sh*t...
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Memorial Partakers guesses?
by AK - Jeff inthe last four years:.
with all the changes in the 'generation', 'sealing', doctines, etc.
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Alfred
I really don't believe the actual number of partakers is going up... I believe the WT leadership is purposely increasing the number of partakers to buy themselves more time... they know they're losing credibility with some JWs in doing so, but with the majority (who are mostly oblivious to this) they really are buying time... that's just my personal opinion...
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i am a regular pioneer in my cong reading crisis of conscience.here goes...
by MsGrowingGirl20 ini'm on page 90 right now...the info is definitely new and gives me a totally diff view as to how i used to think of faithful and discreet slave.
i was thoroughly disgusted with the way the brothers handled the oral sex and leadership problem and the insight on the scriptures book...... still have alot of questions though.
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Alfred
MsGrowingGirl... WELCOME BACK!!! we were worried about you...
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What is the current JW stance on blood - for nursing assignment..
by coldfish inhi, i'm an ex-jw, i left about 10 years ago, and my memory is getting blurry on some jw detail these days.
sorry i'm sure there are stacks of discussions on blood already but i don't have too much time for reading through hundreds of pages.
i'm a nursing student and our topic for the week is blood.
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Alfred
JWs are not allowed to eat salad as this is a disfellowshipping offense according to the Bible. However, since tomatoes only makes up a small portion of the salad, they're allowed to eat just the tomatoes if their conscience is not affected in doing so, but not the entire salad. Also, they're allowed to eat lettuce. No wait, they're not allowed to eat lettuce because it is the major component of the salad... Wait, let me back up... even though lettuce practically fills the entire plate, lettuce is mostly water so it would be left to the JW's conscience if they choose to eat the lettuce but only after prayerful consideration of Biblical teachings on the matter. On the other hand, he would have to consider where he stands spiritually if he decides to consume the salad dressing along with either the lettuce or the tomatoes separately. That being said, if the salad eater shows true repentance upon being questioned by three elders, there's a good possibility that he may not have to be disfellowshipped. In such cases, a private reproval may suffice but his qualifications as a pioneer, ministerial servant or elder will need to be reviewed. According to Proverbs 4:18, there will be more updated information about this subject in the future.
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Hello Jehovah's Witnesses. I was in class 119 of Gilead in 2005
by AllTimeJeff inmy picture is in the january 1, 2006 watchtower.. why am i telling you this?
consider this my small weekend contribution to the cause of real truth.
any jw who has been one for a while, or a born in, knows the regard that pioneers, elders, bethelites and missionaries have.
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Alfred
"Fear keeps you from the truth. It doesn't lead you to it."
Such a simple statement... yet very powerful...
thanks AllTimeJeff!