Posts by Alfred

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Preaching in vain.

by LouBelle in

on my way to work (my temp job) i drove past my witness uncle.

there he was on the street preaching to a man.

i knew that stance so well, publication in hand, leaning in towards to hopefully interested person and telling your story.

Alfred

David7...

Effective preaching of the "good news" requires two basic components:

truthful information
basic knowledge of the best methods to transmit the message to various cultures

It's been thoroughly proven that the Watchtower does not preach an entirely true message. For example, they preach that salvation is by works and that Jesus has been reigning since 1914 (false and false).

They also use a totally ineffective preaching method (door to door) and are only recently using the internet (after they've been avoiding this medium since it started exposing their lies)...

By the way.... I suggest that you read old WT literature so you can see for yourself that the WT continuously lies about their history...

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Question #9 of this week's "oral review" of DVD "Faith In Action"...

by Alfred in

this week, the service meeting will have an oral review of the dvd faith in action which was distributed in the 2010 district assembly worldwide... as many of you probably know, the intent of this dvd is to present a "white-washed" version of the history of the watchtower by omitting all the scandals and cover-ups.... i no longer go to meetings, but i would have loved to raise my hand and answer question #9 which reads: "what did the bible students expect would happen in 1914?".

my response would have been the following:.

even though the geoffrey jackson admits that the bible students expected a "heavenly reward", the dvd avoids mentioning that russell categorically predicted armageddon would come in october of 1914. what's even worse is the fact that the narrator lied on two occasions by saying that the bible students expected or reasoned that jesus would take the throne in 1914. this is completely false.

Alfred

This week, the Service Meeting will have an oral review of the DVD Faith In Action which was distributed in the 2010 District Assembly worldwide... As many of you probably know, the intent of this DVD is to present a "white-washed" version of the history of the Watchtower by omitting all the scandals and cover-ups...

I no longer go to meetings, but I would have loved to raise my hand and answer question #9 which reads: "What did the Bible Students expect would happen in 1914?"

My response would have been the following:

Even though the Geoffrey Jackson admits that the Bible Students expected a "heavenly reward", the DVD avoids mentioning that Russell categorically predicted Armageddon would come in October of 1914. What's even worse is the fact that the narrator LIED ON TWO OCCASIONS by saying that the Bible Students expected or reasoned that Jesus would take the throne in 1914. THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE. They DID NOT expect Jesus to take the throne in 1914 since Russell had already taught them that Jesus was already in power since 1874. In fact, it wasn't until 1929 (13 years after Russell's death) that Rutherford decided to move 1874 to 1914.

To those who are still in...

Please consider responding to this question... If you choose NOT to, at least please post the response that was given in your congo... please share...

thanks

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After the WTS has sold the properties in Brooklyn, will upstate NY become the new US Bethel

by insearchoftruth in

or will the wts maintain a presence in brooklyn so they can continue to call it bethel?

.

Alfred

They're moving to a remote location in upstate New York to make it more difficult for bethelites to find a liquor store.

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Explain in a FEW word's why the 607 date is incorrect.

by XPeterX in

jw
friends

"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.

Alfred

OK... let me take a crack at this...

No Babilonian king was alive between 539 BCE and 537 BCE... So the 70 years of SERVITUDE ran from 609 BCE to 539 BCE... END OF STORY...

How's that for a few words???

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any new light since 2008

by rekless in

jw
friends

Alfred

Jesus really meant TWO OVERLAPPING GENERATIONS (not one)... Also, Jesus forgot to mention that this applies only to "annointed brothers" in high bethel positions...

Thank God we have the FDS to clarify this stuff... otherwise, we'd be completely lost.

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Examples of Fredrick Franz Horrible personality.

by Witness 007 in

in he's nephews book i could not believe some of the things he mentions.

when his father died fred franz told his mother he could not go to the funeral because he was just too busy at bethel.

she spoke to rutherford who ordered him to go.

Alfred

I like his red plaid shirt and red tie... he probably wore it during several memorials to symbolize the blood of Christ...

They should take that picture of whacky Freddy and put in in the How-To-Dress-For-Bethel-Tour brochure.

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Elder "predicts" how many jws are going to live

by XPeterX in

jw
friends

parents went to a jw gathering to read the wt for this week.a jw said that only 5 people out of 125 in my congo will survive armageddon and then that elder said: "no,not 5 people,maybe 20".

damn i don't have words for him.

Alfred

This reminds of when I was working the sound at the KH one night and the announcement was made that "brother Cigar Smoker is no longer a JW". An elder standing just a few feet from me whispered to another elder: "One down, two more to go" as if this was cause for celebration. This made me sick to my stomach... I don't know why, but that made me extremely angry for weeks.

That being said, I rarely noticed any genuine love in any of the 4 congos I've been in. Any so-called "christian love" was really just birds of a feather (pio-sneers, ass-kissers, etc.) flocking together while practically ignoring the "weak" ones or considering them "bad association" or "dangerous" to the spiritual well-being of the congo...

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March 2012 Aux Pioneering

by truthlover in

so far what is the response to the aux pioneering this year vs last year?.

in our cong - only 10 so far vs 52 last april.

Alfred

Anyone else remember how many signed up in their congo this year (vs. 2011)? Please do share...

thanks

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Thanks to all

by Socrateswannabe in

i am by nature a reticent soul.

i am perfectly happy to watch from the sidelines as others debate and contest, poke, prod, and cajole one another.

as an observer, i still gain.

Alfred

I'm surprized that I've never heard of this book... thanks for sharing!

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Question for Dogpatch (Randy): What will it cost to produce the new 16-page Watchtower & Awake?

by Alfred in

when literature used to be sold d2d, i remember how the society never missed an opportunity to trash other religions for "peddling god's word for profit" while boasting about how the watchtower only charges for the cost of the paper and ink.. in the book "witnesses of jehovah", the author mentioned that randall watters used to be involved in print cost analysis and determined that, while we were selling wt & awake mags for 20 cents door-to-door, it was really only costing the society 4 cents per copy to produce.

that's a whopping 400% profit!.

obviously, things have changed... the paper is different, as well as the ink and printing methods in general.

Alfred

Thanks Randy. Their Billion Dollar Brooklyn sell-off reminds me of when I had to make the tough decision to dig into my 401(k) to pay for necessary expenses. They're basically taking out a loan from their own assets and paying themselves back in the form of newer facilities in Warwick, New York... I'm just not sure that these new facilities can be easily flipped at any time in the future given their remote location. But at least they'll have close to a billion dollars in cash when all is said and done... on the other hand, a billion dollars can dissapear rather quickly when you're running a worldwide empire under false pretenses... time will tell.