wtarchives has the golden age for 1919-1924. research applications has 1932-1937. does anyone know if complete sets are available for 1925-1931?.
http://www.towerwatch.com/bookstore/cdrom/goldenage3.htm
has sets of complete years of both the watchtower and the golden age for some years, even some decades, but I can't see if they still have volumes one and two of the golden age. Has anyone purchased from them before?
i used to always justify that the apostles (and paul) thought the end was near because the "mini-end" (jerusalem's destruction in 70ce) had not yet happened.. then it dawned on me that 1st/2nd/3rd john were written in 98ce (at least according to the back of my nwt), after jerusalem's destruction.. 1 john 2:18 (new international version)warnings against denying the son 18 dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.
this is how we know it is the last hour.. not only was it the last day, it was the last hour..
btt
So funny that you ask this tonight, as I was getting ready to post a thread updating my status regarding my "fade".
So far, so good, although I have been taking some considerable risks. Hopefully, it won't come back to bite me.
I have spoken with my husband, told him that I no longer believe this is God's channel of communication, will no longer attend meetings, and will not go in service. He is not, nor has he ever been a believer. He just about roared. He laughed a full minute. He just couldn't believe that after all these years, I suddenly up and changed my opinion without warning. I explained that it may seem to him to be without warning, but that it was not without a great deal of thought. He is pleased, but in practice, it will mean little change in his life. We never, never talk religion. Made that pact many years ago to keep peace between us. He has never cared to celebrate holidays much, and if I wanted to or wished to, then I would have to be ready to take on all that it would entail. He wouldn't bother. So.......husband told, he was pleased, and he well understands what would happen to my family relationships if he shared that information. He advised me to tell no one else. No one.
I spoke to one of my sons. He was totally shocked. Actually, I had counted on him to be a little weak in the faith, as he is very irregular in service and meeting attendance. But no, he is a believer. He listened, could see my points, (kept returning to the shocked repeatedly) and said he still believes, but respects my right not to, understands my reasons, and will never, ever shun me in any way. He assured me of his love, and assured me that he will tell no one. He was very firm that I not tell anyone else as he believes it will eventually get me DF'd. So........son is shocked but supportive.
I spoke to one of my grandchildren. She understood what I was saying, and the reasons, as well as to admitting to very serious doubts herself. She will be supportive, will never give me away, and said she was probably not going to get baptized anyway, and this just makes it easier for her. So......one grandchild clearly okay with it.
I spoke with one of my sisters. She was floored, but admitted to having the same issues for many, many years as well. She assured me she will never turn her back on me no matter what. She is fine with me leaving, and will not try to pressure me in any way. She asked me not to go the the assembly and hand out apostate literature. (I think she was kidding) I really think she is of the opinion that there is just no where else to go. So....my sister is okay with this.
Now I really took a chance with this one. I didn't go so far as to commit myself, but in a family reunion last month, we all got into a bible discussion and one of my nephews was very open in his belief that no one will be destroyed at Armageddon, and everyone will get a resurrection. I encouraged him and asked further questions. I agreed with him as he made his points. He suggested that the reason the society tells us this (the destruction at Armageddon) is true is so that we won't stop attending the meetings and preaching. This statement was met with some agreement by some in the room, and denial by others. He finished by saying that everyone must come to their own conclusions about what they believe regardless of what the Watchtower says. General consensus on that point. It was all I could do to restrain myself from exclaiming that they were ALL apostates. Enough questions were raised that several have agreed to look up things and email them around. I was careful not to be one of them. So........some extended family is open, particularly my nephew and one of my cousins.
I haven't been to a meeting in six or seven weeks, nor out in service for at least two months. I stopped both instantly the minute I made up my mind. The rest of the family is keeping silent on my absence. I am not sure why, but it can't last.
I hope I won't be on this board hysterical some day soon. It could happen, you know.
any neeewww newwwws on this?.
Have I been missing too many meetings? Is the fact that I am no longer reading current publications making me feel completely dumb? I don't know what everyone is talking about. Help!
i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.
in some places being quite rude to people.
the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.
They need to talk to some of us who were there, and I hope they do so. They are the ones talking about something they were not there to remember. I have clear memory back to the early fifties, and let me tell you, I heard it all the time. I almost didn't have children.
i looked this up just now and came up with this list:.
following are the religions that no longer exist.. .
1. sumerian religion.
"Spain's General Franco, however, is still dead" -NeoMadman
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,I love that! SNL used to crack me up with that ongoing remark. Wasn't that in "Weekend Update"?
can someone show me a verse that shows satan telling a lie?.
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elder-schmelder.
Outlaw, I just love your posts!
can someone show me a verse that shows satan telling a lie?.
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elder-schmelder.
Sure, when he challenged God and said that man would not serve him if you touch his flesh...Job 2: 4
People of all religions throughout all the ages have been willing to die for their beliefs. They die for nationalistic reasons as well. Many are willing to die for the sake of integrity to some ideal.
i happen to work with a number of 20 - 30 year olds and i am stunned by the overwhelming social/tech trend that has emerged among them:.
the obsessive - minute to minute use of electronic devices (i. e. 'smartphones, i phones, and the like').
these people are so intensely addicted that they can't stay away for more than a few minutes and keep using them during critical functions at work.
I can't stand to text. It feels like I am passing notes in the fifth grade. I don't understand why it is so popular. Why don't people wish to speak to each other? No one is particularly articulate in a text, and I fear that intelligent conversation will die among some of these young people. All they are saying is "What's up?........Nothing......Just hanging out, whatchou doing?"........I refuse to answer text messages, and all my grandchildren know it. If you want to talk to Grandma, then you need to CALL her! If you want to text Grandma, then it needs to say something like "Grandma, I have been kidnapped, they have me locked in the trunk of their car! I can't talk, they'll hear me! CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!" When I call them, they pick up the phone!
I think it is rude to talk on the phone unnecessarily or text when someone else is present and trying to engage in conversation. If the call is important, excuse yourself and leave the room. Not to do so is the equivalent of two salespeople engaging in meaningless and mindless conversation while you stand and wait impatiently for them to finish. One of my grandchildren started texting incessantly during dinner (he is a teenager old enough to drive) and I sent him home because he refused to respect that. He had continued to text and he just held the phone under the table. I am not some old lady just here to cook for two hours, and you some young person here just for the free meal. I adore this child, and he loves me too. He doesn't use the phone when we do things together anymore.
I know this may sound harsh to some, but I am of the firm belief that others will treat you in the way you permit them to treat you. I can remember once remarking at work, (when I still worked in my career) that it was so nice that it was an atmosphere where people didn't swear or tell lewd jokes. (Although I will admit privately to you that Grandma is not above amusement at one a little cleaned up a bit, so long as it doesn't demean women) Everyone present in the room laughed. "It goes on all over the building" they told me, "just not in front of you." Frankly, I was flattered.
Unless someone is a neurosurgeon on call, or waiting for information of some importance, (it could be that someone has arrived somewhere safely, etc..that is the kind of thing that phones are for) then please don't use them in front of Grandma.
Don't mean to offend...Just offering my own opinion.
i know there are some of the "conscious class" on the board (i.e.
yknot, miseryloveselders,elderelite,etc...) do you guys still go in the field ministry?
and if so, what do you focus on?
I stopped attending meetings about six weeks ago, and haven't turned in time for the last three months. I am starting to get calls from friends, but my family hasn't said anything to me. The elders will eventually call me, I think, and I am going to refuse to discuss my "extremely personal issues that I have taken to Jehovah in prayers." Let's see how that goes. I intend to start a thread on this too.
Have courage, sweetheart, be nice, and you'll get out untouched. (I hope) The hard part is not wittnessing to the witnnesses!
