I remember asking the question when it became obvious that there had to be a continuous line to the brother studying with me (he's now a C.O.) I asked: "Then who were the annointed before the Witnesses?"....He said "The society's position is that there has always been honest hearted Christians who rejected false teachings and until 1935, they were the F&DS".
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F&DS
by drewcoul ini remember studying when i was about 13 or 14 with a pioneer brother from our hall.
i remember for some reason learning that it was necessary for there to be a continuous line of f&ds from jesus to our time.
does anyone recall why this is necessary?
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F&DS
by drewcoul ini remember studying when i was about 13 or 14 with a pioneer brother from our hall.
i remember for some reason learning that it was necessary for there to be a continuous line of f&ds from jesus to our time.
does anyone recall why this is necessary?
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drewcoul
I remember studying when I was about 13 or 14 with a pioneer brother from our hall. I remember for some reason learning that it was necessary for there to be a continuous line of F&DS from Jesus to our time. Does anyone recall why this is necessary? Was it apostolic succession?
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Understanding Revelation (According to the JWs)
by brotherdan indebator (or any other current jw on the board),.
will you please explain to me the understanding of how the 7 trumpet blasts in revelation were fulfilled?
has it already happened?
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drewcoul
lol @ isaacaustin......."The antitypical Hananiah"......Hilarious!!!!!!
I forgot all about the typical and antitypical bull crap.....the "antitypical jubilee" was a WT study I remember. It didn't make sense then and doesn't make sense now.
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Understanding Revelation (According to the JWs)
by brotherdan indebator (or any other current jw on the board),.
will you please explain to me the understanding of how the 7 trumpet blasts in revelation were fulfilled?
has it already happened?
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drewcoul
Debator:
The WT has proclaimed itself "Jehovah's modern-day prophet." This is an indisputable fact. They claim to be "Jehovah's mouthpiece" and his "channel of communication."
On the other hand, they claim that they are spirit-directed and not "inspired." What is the difference????!!??
I would love for you to answer two questions: 1) what is the difference between being spirit directed and inspired? and 2) if they are not inspired, why do they require that their followers follow everything printed in the Watchtower as though it is inspired?
I can prophesy that you will not answer these questions because you cannot answer it without acknowledging the fallacy of the WTBTS.
BTW, can anyone answer: doesn't the new "Daniel's Prophecy" book allude to the distance from the printing presses to the convention where a book was released? I can't find my copy of the book.....guess I must have thrown it away.
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Growing-up Witness was Wonderful ...Until My Bubble Broke
by Green Jade ini was raised by a wonderful and close family.
i loved my congregation growing up.
when i would go to the meetings, i felt i could go to school the next day and deal with the pressures of that day.
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drewcoul
I appreciate your story, Jade.
I too grew up a Witness and was deeply involved in all sorts of spiritual things. From talks, to pioneering, Circuit Assembly parts, Quick Builds. I know I have a different viewpoint from many of the others on this site, but there is nothing wrong with being a Witness. But you have to understand that baptism and dedication is to Jehovah and not to the Society. I look back and consider it somewhat of a blessing that we were witnesses because it protected me from many of the things my non-witness peers got involved in. I only associated with witnesses and that helped me live a Christian lifestyle.
That being said, one need not be a Witness to be a good Christian. Witnesses have not cornered the market on Christian living, love, or peace, or anything else. The biggest problem with the WTBTS is not their lifestyle, but their insistence that they are "Jehovah's Mouthpiece"....his "Channel of Communication". The fact is, they claim that they are not inspired, but merely "directed" by holy spirit. First, what is the difference. Second, If they are not inspired, why do they expect everyone to follow what is written in the WT as if it is inspired?
Anyway, I empathize with your struggle. Keep praying. Stay strong for your children and your husband. Remember, what makes a Christian is not what organization they belong to. It is how they live their life.
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1975 For Deniers
by Farkel in1975 for deniers.
most of today's jws were not members in 1975 or in the 9 years prior to 1975, so they were not eyewitnesses to what really went on during that period.
i was a pioneer in that period, and i was an eyewitness to what went on.. those jws who are still active today and who were around in that period will typically say it was the "brothers" who "ran ahead of jehovah" and "read more into" the 1975 prediction than what was actually stated.
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drewcoul
My Dad passed away nearly 4 years ago. He was a faithful JW for many years. When I was first born, he was DF'd. That was in 1972. He was reinstated about 1974 or so. He was kind of careful about putting the organization ahead of Jehovah. I remember having conversations with him about 1975.
In about 1993 or 94 or so, there was a WT study article that mentioned 1975 and how the society never claimed that armageddon would come in that year, and that those who believed it would were running ahead of Jehovah. My dad said "The society says they never claimed the end would come in 1975.....but they did."
I've always respected the way my dad and others were faithful Christians, and although they were witnesses, they never put blinders on. They believed Jehovah was and is the ultimate judge and our dedication is to him and him alone, not to an organization.
It is clear to me that one need not be a member of the WTBTS to be acceptable to God. They have pushed ahead of God more times than any of the rank and file members. With their predictions of 1914, 1925, 1975, and by the end of the 20th century. However, I do believe that a Christian is acceptable to God if he is a Witness or any other religion and lives his life as a Christian.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Another LIE in December 8th Awake page 28
by Sherilynn inonce again that mysterious 20 years pops up in jw chronology forcing the 607 date for the 1914 date, blah, blah, blah.
http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=qryqcsvrgznt partial quote below from page 28: .
those prophecies of destruction were fulfilled in 632 b.c.e.
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drewcoul
has the wbts ever even acknowledged that historical evidence points to 587 as the date for the destruction of jerusalem? as i understand it, the biblical account can be correct even if it were 587, but the 1914 and 1918 dates would be moot.
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Propaganda Techniques for Replacing "Old Light"
by Ding inanother thread got me thinking about the process the wts uses in changing important teachings or long-standing practices.. first, the gb decides that some teaching or practice needs changing because (a) it's obviously wrong (example: 1975) or (b) it's time to tighten the grip (example: harsher rules on dfing).
once they come up with the new teaching, they have to decide what to do with the "old light" which they so dogmatically promoted as truth.. .
here are some propaganda tactics they have used effectively over the years:.
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drewcoul
i brought up this point last week. ynot posted a scan of each. it's in friends thread under "my first post" i think from friday. i dont know how to put a link up from my phone.
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"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows......"
by drewcoul inin the nwt we read at matt 24:36: "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
if witnesses are correct that the day could be calculated by ezekiel's prophecy, based on the destruction of jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple, then they are, in effect saying that, although jesus was aware of the historical account of the destruction of jerusalem, and was alive with the father in heaven when the prophecy was made, and was alive with the father in heaven when jerusalem was destroyed......get this.......he didn't know there was going to be an antetypical (or antitypical i can't remember how to spell it or what it really means) fulfillment 2000 years in the future!!!!
but....then here comes jf rutherford to the rescue.
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drewcoul
Yes, that's what I'm saying.......Jesus didn't know Ezekiel's prophecy concerned his enthronement as King if JW's are correct.
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"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows......"
by drewcoul inin the nwt we read at matt 24:36: "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
if witnesses are correct that the day could be calculated by ezekiel's prophecy, based on the destruction of jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple, then they are, in effect saying that, although jesus was aware of the historical account of the destruction of jerusalem, and was alive with the father in heaven when the prophecy was made, and was alive with the father in heaven when jerusalem was destroyed......get this.......he didn't know there was going to be an antetypical (or antitypical i can't remember how to spell it or what it really means) fulfillment 2000 years in the future!!!!
but....then here comes jf rutherford to the rescue.
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drewcoul
In the NWT we read at Matt 24:36: "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."
If Witnesses are correct that the day could be calculated by Ezekiel's prophecy, based on the destruction of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple, then they are, in effect saying that, although Jesus was aware of the historical account of the destruction of Jerusalem, and was alive with the Father in heaven when the prophecy was made, and was alive with the Father in heaven when Jerusalem was destroyed......get this.......He didn't know there was going to be an antetypical (or antitypical I can't remember how to spell it or what it really means) fulfillment 2000 years in the future!!!!
But....then here comes JF Rutherford to the rescue. If only he were alive when Jesus was on earth, he could have explained to Jesus the far reaching implications of the prophecy that the WBTS to this day apparently don't believe Jesus understood when he was alive on earth.
More observations forthcoming........