here's the link:
There's lots of talks on this website if you're interested.
drewcoul
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Fred Franz
by d infor all those here who who saw and may have met fred franz.what would he say about global warming, facebook twitter, the death of mitcahel jackson since mitchael was a witness.what would he say about lady gaga, justin biber, usher and emeniem.how do you think he would have reacted to the events of 9/11 and bible prophecy.would he see it as true signs of the end.. so the overall question how would fred franz respond to the 21 st century with it's advanved technolgy and war on terrorism and the economic crisis that this country (the u.s) is facing.please tell us your thoughts..
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A catalog of talks if you're interested
by drewcoul ini found this on the internet, if anyone is interested in listening to some older talks, or talks by people they may know.
i was able to hear some talks by an old friend of mine who is now a co. interesting too to hear some of the old talks by the gb......... http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/.
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drewcoul
If you can get stomach the BS, you can get some really good quotes and information to use against those who are still in.
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Fred Franz
by d infor all those here who who saw and may have met fred franz.what would he say about global warming, facebook twitter, the death of mitcahel jackson since mitchael was a witness.what would he say about lady gaga, justin biber, usher and emeniem.how do you think he would have reacted to the events of 9/11 and bible prophecy.would he see it as true signs of the end.. so the overall question how would fred franz respond to the 21 st century with it's advanved technolgy and war on terrorism and the economic crisis that this country (the u.s) is facing.please tell us your thoughts..
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drewcoul
I listened recently to a recording of him at Butler University in 1983 or so. I remember going there with my Mom and Dad to listen to him. I was about 11 years old at the time and couldn't follow him. When I listened to it again recently, I STILL CAN'T FOLLOW IT!!!! It's nonsensical!
"It was here in the year nineteen hundred and twenty fiiiiive that the fourth vial of Revelation was poured out.....right here in Indianapolis, Indiana......"
That's a direct quote.
I'm sure he would find a prophetic fulfillment of 9/11/01 since he was able to find fulfillment of Bible prophecy because it was extremely hot in the summer of 1925 in Indianapolis.
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wheres Yknot
by im stuck in ini haven't seen yknot here lately does anyone know whats up?
i have enjoyed the posts very much.
stuck in.
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drewcoul
I haven't seen anything posted by Ynot or Outlaw in quite a while.
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Am I wrong about this aspect of WTS theology?
by drewcoul init seems to me, that if the wts is right, the only thing that would matter is that people are converted to the jw religion before armageddon.
all people throughout the thousands of years of human history will be resurrected according to them, right?
only except for those who are df'd when they die.
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drewcoul
It seems to me, that if the WTS is right, the only thing that would matter is that people are converted to the JW religion before armageddon. All people throughout the thousands of years of human history will be resurrected according to them, right? Only except for those who are DF'd when they die. Therefore, those who died as faithful JW's before armageddon fare no better than those who were never JW's and die before armageddon.
Is my understanding correct? I was raised as a Witness, and this has always bothered me. How in the world does this make any sense?
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Hypocrisy 101 - Watchtower has Payed for College/College Courses for Bethelites!
by Crisis of Conscience inno you did not read the title wrong.
i was out to eat this weekend with two bethelites.
one gave a talk in my hall and i was invited out to dinner with them by another family in my hall.. as the conversation always turns to "spiritual" things, the subject of education was brought up.
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drewcoul
CofC,
I don't know the numbers, but I do know the society has paid for college for some Bethelites.
I can also tell you that Judah Ben Schroeder who is the son of deceased GB member Albert Schroeder went to college. I think Judah Ben Schroeder pretty much grew up at Bethel since his dad was a member of the GB for many years. I don't know who paid for it. I suppose Albert Schroeder could have been affluent enough to pay for it himself, or perhaps Judah Ben Schroeder paid for it himself. I don not know. I do know that when I visited the congregation that they each attended one time in 1995, the brother I was with told me that he was a college graduate and I thought it was the height of hypocrisy, but, like we all used to do, I just squashed it and put it in the back of my mind and thought it didn't matter.
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drewcoul
Thanks Outlaw! I knew you'd come through for me eventually! LOL
Nice Melons!
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drewcoul
And I like Outlaw, even though he never responds to any of my posts.
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drewcoul
JWN Has definitely helped me! I enjoy reading about experiences in other Kingdom Halls from people who remember the good times, and the good people without bitterness clouding every memory. And I like exchanging thoughts with others from nearly exactly the same background as me.
Those of us who were born-ins probably remember how cool it was when we were kids to meet other kids our age who were also witnesses. Especially if we met them in a social setting. We felt like we were different, separate from anyone and everyone else. Now, it's the same thing. We know how we were raised, we empathize with each other and help support each other in our day to day dealings with our families who are still in, and others who will never know what it's like. Here's to JWN
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Ostracism: anyone with legal background on this forum who could help?
by Nick! inhere in europe, we have started different initiatives aiming at exposing publicly and legally the watchtower on the subject of ostracism, discrimination and shunning.. in the past we have seen different manifestations held in front of kingdom halls or branch offices on issues such as pedophilia and blood transfusions policies, and even, such as in france, against building of real-estates.
now it seems that the issue of discrimination against disfellowshipped or dissociated people is gaining momentum.
we have seen the large demonstrations in brazil, and maybe the lesser important ones elsewhere.
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drewcoul
Desirous of Change,
Incidentally, you will not find the term "Separation of church and state" in the First Ammendment.....or anywhere in the Constitution or the Ammendments. It's a made up term to make people think there is a Constitutional arguement against the "State" getting involved in any way, shape or form with religion. In actuality, the Constition of the U.S. prohibits the establishment of a state religion and allows Americans to practice whatever religion they choose. Anything more than that has been adjudicated and interpreted into the Constitution even though it's not really there.
That being said, I don't believe you will ever see the U.S. government get involved in the disfellowshipping/ shunning debate. There is a concept of "Freedom of association" that allows people to associate with those they choose to associate with and to not associate with those they don't want to associate with.
The only debate I can see them interjecting themselves into is blood transfusions if it involves a minor (which they have done for years), or an adult with diminished capacities. They will not force an able bodied person of sound mind to accept a blood transfusion if they don't wish to.