Posts by elderINewton

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Question - thoughts on explaining your fading to teachers?

by elderINewton in

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weird/odd question, but with our family fading, and our daughter in school how or should one approach teachers with this?

our child is a little too young to understand why we are fading, but it proves challenging in school as they have been, well brainwashed, to say i shouldn't do that etc... .

i don't like explaining anything to teachers about the fade, etc.

elderINewton

Weird/odd question, but with our family fading, and our daughter in school how or should one approach teachers with this?

Our child is a little too young to understand why we are fading, but it proves challenging in school as they have been, well brainwashed, to say I shouldn't do that etc...

I don't like explaining anything to teachers about the fade, etc. as they could very well have friends that could report back to the cult center.

Anyone with experience with this? I'm just trying to open my mind to other ideas.

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Warwick, What is it good for?

by freemindfade in

absolutely nothing.... has anyone dared ask what they need this place for?

think about a few things.

in bethels hay day, there was a shit ton of literature being printed, they even need a giant factory with elevators a truck could fit in.

Sh@t, after all this time, I am now reminded of why during the Conti case the WT was acting so funky around the bond costs and wanting to use real estate. At the time, and I bond stuff all the time, I was thinking that's a shit load of work to use real estate instead of 50k for a bond, and now the answers are finally coming, money f'n crunch. Only in this tread I see the damn "new light."

I get the feeling that some scriptures from the OT are going to be used to require our own Mecca experience to bethel to cover the use of this new facility. Its over the top for its needs.

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money

by Defianttruth in

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i keep seeing references to the 750 million in sales of the nyc properties and confusion around the apparent cash flow problems of the wtbt society.

here's the reality.

if they went, to a bank and asked for loans for the buildings here's what a bank would say, "absolutely.

elderINewton

Crazyguy - the D&B actually does list them as a religion, but in the credit request documents Bethel identifies themselves as in the printing & construction business. So its Bethel identification, not D&B, so its quite ironic.

As for the float, if they are being required to use outside contractors, then they are needing quick payment turnaround. If vendors are jumpy they might also be requiring large deposits or bonds as well.

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money

by Defianttruth in

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i keep seeing references to the 750 million in sales of the nyc properties and confusion around the apparent cash flow problems of the wtbt society.

here's the reality.

if they went, to a bank and asked for loans for the buildings here's what a bank would say, "absolutely.

elderINewton

FYI - I have yet to personally see a credit downgrade. They are a customer of the company I work for and the D&B indicated "good" credit. Funniest part to me was when they said they are in the "printing & construction" business, religion was not listed.

The likely issue is that you can't get a mortgage on contaminated property. Banks don't lend on buildings with issues like that. It might have caught them off guard so the cash grab could be to maintain a float rather than have a bank provide the service.

They will need a sizeable float to maintain construction of Wakhill.

I have also seen a fair number of special pioneers shipped out for assignment via airplane, so they are not acting like its a money issue with the ministry. Only construction, it further clouds the whole issue.

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Just 10 more days. How are they going to spin the news on Oct 3 annual meeting?

by John Aquila in

so they asked all the kingdom halls for all the money in their savings account and then make them give a monthly payment for the rest of their life.

the reason for this was because the in-gathering is so great, that they need to build, build, build!.

now the massive building will stop..

elderINewton

Who says they will tell everyone they have stopped building? Either way they might say they are simplifying things at bethel so that more can devote themselves to the ministry. (I fully realize that if you spend more time in the ministry and get more recruits you need more facilities, but that is logical and the message is not).

I really don't think people will bat much of an eye. They sure didn't with the 2014 funding scam.

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Is the WT SLOW-ly Changing the importance of the Door to Door preaching work to something more profitable?

by John Aquila in

its been a couple of weeks since a new c.o.

was appointed to the circuit and im starting to hear tidbits of his talks..

one brother told me that in one of his talks he asked the question; .

elderINewton

Carts are the key to solving the "generational" issue (aka old people). Carts allow them to just sit and wait, while counting time. The reality is that most large cities have for years had witnesses at various stops for approach work, but this is much easier for a senior to do. Its really just busy work. I've had to pleasure of watching several carts for the past year, and the success is minimal at best. I'd argue the workers are more disheartened as the likelihood of bad apostates talking to them is greater. But the vast majority appear to just enjoy sitting in a chair (or motorized chair). This is really nothing new, its just that they added a cart, and you can just sit on your arse and do nothing.

In the circuit I was with, we got 2 bible study requests since JW.borg has been active, a sizeable circuit at that. Still if you did the math and said 1,000's then its still a very small number considering the publicity.

I watch the analytics on the website and its pretty flat. Really with about 800,000 page views daily and 8,000,000 witnesses its actually pretty bad. I like one site that says the traffic is worth about 1.7 million dollars. http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.jw.org

The real question I have is if the risk of lawsuits is greater for door to door or from the carts?

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Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

by wifibandit in

http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

obey.

elderINewton

freemind - that is good - the are not dogmatic they issue decrees, but enforce them dogmatically. -

I said to my wife a while back they can go either two directions from here - lay the hammer down and enforce or just start to let things slide. At the time I said they would hammer down, and videos like this at least give me some comfort in saying I told you so.

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Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

by wifibandit in

http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

obey.

elderINewton

well after watching that twice (15 mins I'll never get back). So they rules are not dogma, which can be questioned?, but decrees that can't be?

Then every decision the GB makes is a decree that is not man made and is governed from heaven. So I guess that means that for the reported 1006 children with abuse claims in Australia, the policy to not protect them was governed by heaven. Interesting, you can't have it both ways.

Still I was hoping for a great rant.

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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?

by karter in

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i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.

the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.

then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????

elderINewton

While many are hoping for a tipping point, an event needs to trigger the tip. One can hope that in this information age that someone finally spills the beans on something internal that will shake the organization to the core. Without that event it will just get people coming and going like any cult. People are too unsure and scared to do anything else without an event. To me even with my extended family, those "in" barely know a damn thing. Those that know, know TTATT, and are either waiting it out to escape or not, or just running away.

I think we have more leaking than a tip at this stage, but that is just my perception. To me the irony is that the leaking was made greater by tv.borg with the GB punching holes in the hull of the ship.

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Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.

by John Aquila in

last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.

he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.

then out of the blue he tells me; .

elderINewton

So many times I'm reminded of that movie Shawshank redemption - when that older fellow, Red, who had only known prison was released he hung himself because he could not function outside of the prison.

It seems that for so many the WT is that same prison, and that waking them would be cruel. I applaud you John for thinking in a like minded loving manner.

Still, it makes me wonder if there is much more discontent, or is it just that others know we don't believe so they can be more vocal. Its probably both.