Posts by elderINewton

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

jw
friends

i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

elderINewton

Not sure where I said or suggested the people breaking the copyright were doing a service. I think people want a legal means to have the book provide a service.

I think most folks agree that, and I do as well, that the decisions on what to do with the copyright are not ours, and are in the holders hands.

This is just business for me. Make money, cool, but don't blame everyone else for bad business decisions. Just ask HMV or go to your local, video store, they all made bad business decisions and they are not around. If you restrict content on anything, it gets out. (Netflix, geo-restrictions, etc...). This is so classic old school thinking. I think people are only wanting to help promote the book, and quite possibly see the current holder as the detriment to that do to the fact it has availability issues.

No doubt, piracy has impacted the potential sale of this book, but due to its limited target audience its also advertised it better than most publishers would. Hammonds work on this would say its helped, while Libowitz & Zentners work would say it hurt, so the messaging on piracy and book publishing is mixed.

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

jw
friends

i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

elderINewton

I think that the whole thing was blown out of proportion, and likely all the information was not given or available. Those that didn't like the copyright, just wanted the damn book. Pure and simple, its availability was the issue not the actual copyright.

People should have been selling the freaking ebook for the last 5 years or so. So the person at that time made a bad business decision that likely cost them $$. That is the real essence of the problem, and people just need to come clean and admit that. That is what got lost in the debate.

The copyright was and is valid, and sure some want it out free because it wakes up people, etc... But I know for me I wanted to either buy the damn copyright or have it put in the public domain so you could actually get a legal copy. Its a supply issue not a copyright issue.

Then if its a demand issue, its a business decision to print or not.

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Finally posting and I'm FRUSTRATED!!!

by stephanie61092 in

okay, i'm about to engage in a major word vomit.

just giving you fair warning as your time may be better spent somewhere else.. so, i'm sitting on my lunch break, bawling my eyes out, and writing on this forum to people i don't know yet probably have a great deal in common with but at the same time, used to scare the daylights out of me.

for years, i would come across this forum and 'lurk' awhile if you will, or see things on youtube.

elderINewton

Take care of yourself, and keep your chin up. It takes much strength to see what you have seen. Raise your head high and see that many could not have gone through what you did.

It may be a difficult time for you and your feeling and thoughts. Don't loose hope. Believe in yourself.

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Do JW get counseled for buying a home?

by thedepressedsoul in

i was curious, i couldn't find much on it.

if anything, there are a few articles that give advice on how to properly buy a home, mortgage, good location etc... .

do you know if the elders can counsel on this matter or remove privileges over it?

elderINewton

The answer is "it depends" - if you buy something that is basic and "simple" expect nothing. If you buy property that people in the hall would think is over the top, its possible that something could be said. I was talked to about my cars, vacations, and houses. So it happens.

Some COBE's have nothing but the rental property they live on, so they see anything past that as not keeping it simple.

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What shocking stories did you ever hear about?

by Truthexplorer in

as a pre-awakened ms, i heard of 2 stories that i found very shocking at the time.

please keep in mind, i was following wt blindly at the time and was part of what i thought was the true religion.

the first shocking story was when i attended a large meeting for elders and ministerial servants covering our circuit.

elderINewton

Rather than call the cops and get them to deal with a crime. Send over the elders to strong arm a confession out of a suicidal person and watch him blow his brains out after he closes the door. Thanks service department.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

elderINewton

I can personally say that in a few cases known to me in Canada (BC, Alberta) that the society still stresses that its the family or victim that makes the decision to report to authorities. The Canadian Bethel's instructions are to send to brothers to directly confront the abuser with the intention to obtain confession. No confession information is handed to the police.

The society feels that the elders have minister exemptions (which don't exist in many provinces). I know that when I mentioned that we don't have exemption the body said we have to follow bethel. Nothing like the moment you realize you have to leave these guys.

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New WT pdf tells children to report. Irony?

by wifibandit in

pdf.

why won't watchtower tell abusers "i'm going to tell on you!

" and follow through with the proper authorities?

elderINewton

It's really just "I'm going to tell on you to the elders.".

In addition the publication ignores that most abusers are known, and in many cases control what the child sees.

Sad to see them try to back track. I wonder how long till this shows up as evidence in a court case.

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Canadian Branch Office directed a congregation to lock the door during the meetings

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.jw-archive.org/post/137091096103/canadian-branch-office-directed-a-congregation-i.

elderINewton

In Canada its standard practice in urban halls to do this. But you must have someone sit by the doors at all times to not break fire codes.

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A cracking good JC! This is how it's done, folks.

by Island Man in

in this jc the couple accused of apostasy, lay down some inconvenient and incontestable truths about the organization's teachings that leave the elders speechless - as far as them mustering any efforts to refute them.

oh and by the way, do you remember what geoffrey jackson said at the australian royal commission when he was asked about an inactive jw being called to account if the elders stopped by and find him celebrating the holiday?

don't worry if you've forgotten because the couple mentions it to the elders, you know, seeing as it's the very same reason why they're being accused of apostasy, thus proving geoffrey jackson's statements to be false!.

elderINewton

Well said Shadow.

I'd add that he should have threatened legal action rather than making trouble. In addition he should have included the watchtowers own documentation on there rebuttal from there arc.

They should have never admitted anything as well they followed the JW rules and that screws then over. Hostility never works when your dealing with a cult member, they get defensive. I viewed this whole experience as what not too do if you want to maintain family relationships.

Many other ways to handle this.

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Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

by rebel8 in

anyone here watching this on netflix?.

it's funny, kind of silly at times, but somewhat relatable.. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ellie-kemper-kimmy-schmidt-character-798166.

elderINewton

You made me get that theme song back in my head. Just love it when in the opening that guy says "it's a miracle".

I binge watched it but got bored pretty fast.