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  Should we attend our first Birthday Party?

  by Flicka in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so we have only been fading for the past few months but already made up our minds that we are completely out.

  we never managed to make any friends in our cong but we befriended our neighbours.. so our neighbour invited us to her b-day party in a few weeks time.

  she knows that we are/were witnesses and that we are fading.. i don't see a b-day celebration as being wrong anymore.

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  We went to a neighbourhood child's birthday party and no JW noticed or said anything (even though an elder's family lives only a few houses up from them). The party was indoors, so it wasn't like we were on the front lawn for everyone to see.

  We decided to drive to the home (even though it is just a few houses up from us) because the JWs were out in service that morning on our street...and we didn't want to be seen walking down the street with a Princess party gift bag.

  An elder also knocked on our door as we were just about to leave. I didn't view it as a "sign" that I shouldn't go or anything. It is what it is.

  Have fun if you decide to go! I'm not sure how likely it will be for anyone to find out you went or not. I'm at the point now where I don't care if I'm outed, but I definitely understand the fear and have been there.
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  Did the "Truth" really have the "Ring Of Truth"?

  by ssn587 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when we were initially taken in by the supposed ring of truth that the watchtower espoused, we came to find out that in reality the supposed ring of truth was actually handcuffs and prison garb.

  once they have you there is no way of leaving without them shooting at you trying to kill you with viturpretive (spelling) mouthings, slander, and a complete absence of human feelings..

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  OTWO - "Looking back, I’ve made some realizations. The WatchTower organization told me they had all the answers to the questions I was asking. The problem was that they provided the wrong questions. They told me I was seeking a deeper spiritual truth when all I really sought was an ordinary truth. I hadn’t actually started pondering, “Where does life originally come from and where are we going after this life? I simply wanted to know, “Who am I?”

  Wow! That was amazingly put OTWO, that is so true. You made me have an epiphany.
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  Women - what the hell do you guys want for Christmas?!?!?

  by sinis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my sig other thinks i can read minds or something!

  she doesn't want jewelry - just bought her a diamond ring for her b-day.

  she has a new laptop, perfume, clothing, etc... i have no idea what to get - she actually told me not to get anything... does it look like i have stupid written on my face :).

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  Great minds think alike, we're all romantics!
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  Women - what the hell do you guys want for Christmas?!?!?

  by sinis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my sig other thinks i can read minds or something!

  she doesn't want jewelry - just bought her a diamond ring for her b-day.

  she has a new laptop, perfume, clothing, etc... i have no idea what to get - she actually told me not to get anything... does it look like i have stupid written on my face :).

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  A love note or poem to go with the tickets? Chocolates, a book or CD she wants?
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  As An EXJW Does Christmas Mean Anything To You?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been thinking how correct the witnesses are regarding an aspect of xmas.

  it is totally commercialized and it's big business and materialism.

  having said that, i enjoy giving presents and recieving them.

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  Yes, we have a lot to make up for! This is our first Christmas post-JW. We want it to be a cozy, fun time for our children, so they grow up having good memories and pass on traditions to their families.

  I love Christmas trees, the glittering decorations and sparkling lights, hot chocolate with Baileys, candy canes, and presents. I have a Nativity set, stockings hung on the mantle, Christmas carols playing in the evening, and old Christmas movies to watch cuddled up on the couch.

  We're simply having a wonderful Christmas time!
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  Not sure what to tell my 4 year old about Santa

  by jwfacts in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my adorable little son is very excited about christmas.

  i have not made a big thing about it, but he must have picked up the christmas spirit from what he is seeing in the shops and on tv.

  he loves the music, and movies and all the decorations.

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  My husband didn't want to do the Santa thing, but changed his mind when our 3 year old kept talking about Santa. We decided to tell him the story of Santa too, and let him make what he wanted out of it. We went to the office xmas party, and Santa was there, and our son got a cool toy he wanted and asked "How did Santa know I always wanted this!?!" It was so sweet.

  I say let your boy have wonderful, magical memories from his childhood. I believed in Santa until my parents "got the truth." I didn't mind that Santa wasn't real...I was devestated about not being able to participate in the holidays like all my friends and be told that "magic" was "bad."

  (Your son is really cute by the way!)
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  When you were active, did you feel you would survive Armageddon?

  by Band on the Run in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am curious about this issue.

  personally, i never felt i would be good enough for a split second.

  one would think that knowing you can not be good enough to survive would it make it easier to leave the witnesses and live for the present.

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  No, I always felt not good enough. I hoped that I would be able to "walk on through" to the New System and plead my case and hopefully Jehovah would take pity on me.
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  So my JW wife cheated on me. Need some help or at least a sympathetic ear.

  by JonathanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have neither friends nor family to turn to.

  the result of being born in a cult.

  but i need to talk about this.

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  Nice_Dream

  Sent you a PM
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  So my JW wife cheated on me. Need some help or at least a sympathetic ear.

  by JonathanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have neither friends nor family to turn to.

  the result of being born in a cult.

  but i need to talk about this.

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  It's important to ask what the counselors philosophy is, and you can find counselors that have a Christian viewpoint and probably wouldn't recommend having affairs on the side.
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  TRY AGAIN - QUESTION: HOW HAVE FRANZ'S BOOKS HELPED YOU?

  by binadub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  apologies all.

  my questions did not appear in the body of the first post and i didn't know the reason.

  thanks leavingwt for informing me that another drawback of the new internet explorer is that it is not compatible with jwd.

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  1) How have Franz's books influenced (or not) you? Also Carl Olof Jonsson's and Jim Penton's?

  Did Franz write about why the JWs were chosen in 1914? If he did, I read about that somewhere and thought it didn't make any sense. He seemed kooky and too out there to be a real prophet.

  I read "Gentile Times Reconsidered" and found it very helpful to deconstruct the 1914 business.

  And James Penton's "Apocalypse delayed" was the first "apostate" book I read that started me on my way out. It was interesting to learn about the history of the religion, and how crazy it sounded.

  2) Do you understand Jonsson's chronology arguments and their effect on the parousia doctrine?

  It was a bit confusing, but I felt like I understood it enough to see that the Watchtower wasn't correct.

  3) Would you like an alternative religion to the Watchtower organization? If so, what do you think it should offer?

  Sort of, I miss the association and structure sometimes. However, I don't think I would ever want to be part of a religious group again. If I were to join a group, it would need to allow freedom of thought and not be controlling or dogmatic.

  4) Are you familiar with Channel C.

  No

  5) What do you think is the most influencial medium for JWs leaving the religion? Forums like this? Books? Other exJWs?

  The Internet. I first saw something about Ray Franz online and it bothered me until I looked into it. The Wikipedia article on JWs was one of the first things I felt safe looking at, and started my journey out of the religion from there.

  6) Do you know who the current WT leaders are?

  Splane?

  Balaamsass - your church sounds awesome!