Posts by Giordano

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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

by AlainAlam in

do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

Giordano

Yes the Society shows bad intent by encouraging their members to pass up a life saving blood transfusion.

They killed off two of our closest family members for want of a life saving blood transfusion. Needless deaths abound in the JW world. Abuse of children, lack of education. The JW world is dark and cruel.

The Society has lied and fought to keep those lies protected.

AA are you getting a whiff of the Catholic Church, or the Boy Scouts failed excuses for their child sexual abuse problems. The JW's are in good company.

The ARC found 1006 cases of JW child sexual abuse in Australia attributed directly to the JW's. How many cases were turned over to the police..........not a single case. These children were abused over and over and over again....think about it.

I feel AA that your on a mission to convince us that the Society and it's JW's are wonderful people.They are not......... they break the law, hide information, and hurt the little children.

Jesus said "don't hinder the children from coming to me." Does the WT follow that...hell NO!

Do you think they are doing a good job of any of the basics? Food, Shelter, Respect for not allowing the sexual abuse of the children. No...... the JW's have no faith because it's all made up. The Society decides what you will be compelled to believe each and every year.

I sense you are bull shitting us with discussions that don't matter at all.

Slice it and dice it your interests run deep into the WT beliefs............. why try to bullshit us. The Society runs a criminal organization and they are very protective of Jehovah's good name cause that's how the money comes in.

AA As far as your concerned your sucking on the tit of needless bible ramblings.....trying to provoke a meeting of minds with those who have long abandoned the sickness that a JW has eagerly accepted.

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June 2020 Study Watchtower - One or two little gems! :(

by The Fall Guy in

study watchtower, june 2020, box on page 22 - "note the comment made by an inactive one in spain: “i want to be reactivated, but it is very difficult.

but it is not easy.

i have to change my lifestyle and cut ties with some worldly friends.".

Giordano

They speak as though it is all about US ,why we left. They can't imagine it is because of THEM and their teachings

The Watchtower Society writes with such assurance that it really doesn't matter to it's readers and public speakers what they are saying.

The WT conclusion is that they and they alone have the truth.....until they realize that they have painted themselves into a corner....once again.

"Er....... no we never ment that. The crap that we once believed is now being replaced with a better load of crap.

You got to....... Love me some Jehovah.

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I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

by AlainAlam in

background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

Giordano

Sorry AA I normally put a citation in.

The Following is the Pew religious Survey:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/26/a-closer-look-at-jehovahs-witnesses-living-in-the-u-s/ft_16-04-26_jehovahswitnesses-1/

Jehovah’s Witnesses have a low retention rate relative to other U.S. religious groups. Among all U.S. adults who were raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses, two-thirds (66%) no longer identify with the group. By contrast, about two-thirds of those who were raised as evangelical Protestants (65%) and Mormons (64%) still say they are members of those respective groups.

They are now last in higher education.

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I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

by AlainAlam in

background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

Giordano

See below:

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June 2020 Study Watchtower - One or two little gems! :(

by The Fall Guy in

study watchtower, june 2020, box on page 22 - "note the comment made by an inactive one in spain: “i want to be reactivated, but it is very difficult.

but it is not easy.

i have to change my lifestyle and cut ties with some worldly friends.".

Giordano

Whats that old joke?

The JW governing body is interrupted by one of those attending brothers.

"I've got good news and bad news. Jesus is on the phone!"

"That's great news say the members of the Gov Body but what's the bad news?'

"He's calling from Salt Lake City!"

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I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

by AlainAlam in

background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

Giordano

The Jehovah's Witnesses kill off more of their followers every year then Jim Jones managed to do in one night. Jim Jones was a drug induced criminal who saw death as the way out of this world. So does the Governing Body.

The Governing body favors death for their followers...for want of a blood transfusion.....over sane medical practices. They are criminals in my opinion.

With their 'end time' beliefs the JW's are a certifiable death cult. It's all about them being right and looking forward to the death of 8 billion people who are not JW's.....well before their time.

Eating or drinking blood is separate from a blood transfusion. A blood transfusion is not eating it's a transplant. But like every doctrine the WT has favored they are wrong because they support an answer before any proof is looked at. Being wrong on this scale is deadly.

According to the Pew Religious Survey .......The divorce rate for JW's is 11% which is the same as most Christian religions.

The higher educational religion of the JW's is the lowest of those religions surveyed. It's high school and out (pioneering).

Even the Society sent out a letter calling for volunteers who had a college background.

WTF!

67% of JW born-ins stop identifying as JW's compared to 30% of Mormons.

Being a JW is being in a dead end religion. The hope it offers is building a paradise (the bible never mentions 'Paradise earth') over the bones of Billions of innocent people.

Like it or not not those Billions are not going to be resurrected......just as we've never heard from Jesus again for over 2000 years.

AA you need to grow up. Reworking Bible crap is never any good. Go get an education.

Get some fresh thinking in your life....there is nothing worth while in the bible unless your prone to be anti human.

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Personal story

by Youngaposthate in

i was raised in this sect, 1st gen. was isolated from any family.

had suicidal attempts because of this sect.

family as always instead of being a backbone of support, victim blamed.

Giordano

Here is a fine web site that agrees with you Totally.

http://journeyfree.org/rts/rts-its-time-to-recognize-it/;

Take a look and see what you think.

That's the unspoken rule on this forum........ you get to decide what's right for you and what you can agree about or not agree about.

Another interesting point of view is that the American President and five star General Dwight Eisenhower was raised as a International Bible Student which was guided by the Watchtower and their idiot Golden Age that became the Awake magazine.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/56651/president-eisenhower-his-jehovahs-witness-background

The Kingdom Hall was in the families living room.

His father dropped the religion and his brothers dropped out of the religion as well. His mother kept the ever changing faith.

I think it was ironic that an ex JW would become a general and was driven to not only defeat Hitler and his Nazi's who then opened the concentration camps to save as many lives as he and his army could.

Apparently Jehovah was too busy creating black holes in the solar system and cared not a wit for all of the people who died in the gas chambers.

A loving god, misnamed Jehovah, has never been supportive of human life.

My thought....... life is all about being a worth while human not a worshiper of any nasty god.

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Coronavirus Positive

by snare&racket in

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friends

hey all,.

i'm day six of isolation, confirmed to have coronavirus.

i have been seeing very sick cv positive patients over the last month in my a&e role (emergency physician) it was inevitable i would contract it.. just wanted to give some symptom and treatment advice, it's anecdotal but may help.. started as sore throat and headache, then croaky voice, then dry cough, then episodic transient fevers, all this over the first few days.

Giordano

You are a hero and obviously raised children who are hero's.

Thank you for your wise words and your clear and concise understanding of this disease. We hope to have your wisdom and experience on going.

Your a bright light in a dark forest.

When the Society speaks about new light I will look past them and see you.

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Are the JWs are doing field service while corona?

by iliketreasure in

hey guys,.

i'm out of the jws for 12 years now and stopped thinking about the whole thing a long time ago.. but recently, i wondered how jws deal with corona?

i've read on the forums that they suspended meetings and tried to hold them online.. but are they still doing field service?.

Giordano

I find it amazing that they have to tell their followers to "don't feel guilty about suspended preaching work" when that was their plan after all. You've got to attend meetings, you must go out and knock on doors.

The Society was and is always reckless with the health, education and general welfare of their followers.

It's a cult people....... and the only hallmarks are obedience and contributions.

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What SHOULD have woken you up ?

by Phizzy in

for myself, there is an embarrassingly long list of things that really should really have woken me up, fully.

it was a long process for me, as a mind controlled born in, things i simply did not agree with, or knew were downright wrong, that built and built, and, eventually i woke up, after 58 bloody years in !.

but just mainly for fun, what should have woken you up ?.

Giordano

At the age of 16...... I was given a book called the True Believer by Eric Hoffer. After reading that I knew that being a JW was a sham because of the Society.

The people in the congregation were pretty good to me.......... of course this was in the late 50's and 60's. When the JW life style was more relaxed. A lot of parties and assembles where you could flirt with a pretty sister.

I by-passed Bethel and went off to pioneer where the need was great. I disdained the Society and my focus was on the Friends in our congregation. I did a damn good job of it. Ministry school servant , assn't presiding minister and all around go to guy.

I was awake to the mistakes of the WTBTS but back in the day this was only a feeling that they were getting stuff wrong. I had no other sources to consult and maybe I didn't want to know we were idiots believing in their garbage.

My bride was a casual JW........ She was 17 and I was 19 when we married. We courted for two years. We are still married some 57 years later. A very happy and productive marriage.

Since she never really believed.... she concentrated on our marriage....... while I was left to struggle with the porous beliefs that were promoted by the WTBTS. I finally gave up on this religion.

I realized it was a fool's errand as soon as I understood that this religion offered nothing.

What finished it for me was Armageddon....were we really taught that billions would die so we could build a paradise earth over their bones?

The Ban on Blood....in those days no serious surgery could be preformed without a supply of blood. JW family members..... ours..... were dying because they couldn't get the medical treatment they needed. It was an individuals choice.....but it wasn't sitting well for us.

The discouragement of higher education was a drawback. After we left we realized we needed to grow up and learn how to live in the real world.

We moved from the congregation we had been serving in..... for the past three years..... and never heard a word from anyone ever again. When you were out....you were out. Family that were in........ wanted little contact.

We grew up quickly and made our way forward. By our mid 20's we were both accomplished professionals making a good living.

We have lived our lives beyond anyone else's standards.We are both Humanists and have worked as unpaid community volunteers for the last 30 years.

We live in a city of 7,000 and have close to 200 friends. We actually counted them one morning and were surprised we had so many fine relationships. We even have a couple of JW friends who want out.

Always happy to lend a helping hand.

The Mormon's now dominate in our city......the JW's are never heard from.