Posts by Giordano

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JW vs. Mormon with regards to homosexuality

by Downtowner in

i find it ironic that jw.org publishes an article about homosexuality on the day i received july 2020 issue if the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints magazine "ensign" which also has an article on same-sex attraction.

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regardless, the lds article comes across as more caring than the jw article although in the end members in good standing cannot act upon their same-sex attraction in either religion..

Giordano

Here is my first opportunity in decades to say something nice about the JW's.

Though they may never accept a homosexual marriage or relationship they would never knock on doors with a singular message to vote against Gay marriage.

Mar 11, 2011 - ... Mormons poured in and Mormons hit the streets, going door to door, ... Proposition 8 was the most expensive campaign on a social issue in .

https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/03/11/lds-church-push-benefited-prop-8-but-mormons-say-theyve-been-unfairly-targeted/

This from a religion who's founder Joseph Smith had close to 40 wives and Brigham Young of the Mormons had 52 wives.

Considering the number of wives and how often their needs were satisfied I'd guess there was plenty of same sex going on.

There is one thing that the JW's and the Mormons are consistence about is that they are often inconsistent.

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Jessica Leigh Collins - do you believe her story (Epstein)

by Anony Mous in

as i was researching some stuff about this epstein guy and came across postings about jessica leigh collins.. her twitter has most of her story: https://twitter.com/midnitemj but it is actively being suppressed by twitter - a regular search on twitter doesn't get her account as a result and none of her posts have been seen by more than a few hundred people.

many media outlets have tagged her as "russian troll" while she doesn't seem anything like it.

it certainly is way too detailed and is going on for way too long to be a troll nor is her story being artificially trended or upvoted, fact is, the posts have virtually no upvotes or retweets even though people elsewhere claimed they tried.. what i can gather is that she came out about being trafficked by epstein but quickly found out that nobody is actually interested in her story.

Giordano

I can only speculate that Epstein's protection........ until he lost it........may have been possible because he had photographic images and film of powerful men not only using prostitutes but also minors.

I am sure he managed to get the goods on anyone who was exposed to his sexual/slave island property and or his Palm Beach estate.

Powerful men are often overly enthusiastic about sex. This has been true of many Presidents and other successful people. They do not rein in their sexual proclivities.

It's considered a perk.

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Economic Recovery after COVID-19

by Simon in

it feels like we've really turned a corner, this morning especially.. the covid lockdowns are ending and medical systems were not overwhelmed plus there are existing treatments that have been proven to be effective (like hydroxychloroquine) and new vaccines and medicines in the pipeline.

a week or so ago the dems were dead against opening things up but since they are encouraging protests (which often turn violent) they can't continue that stance - thus proving trumps claim that it will soon be gone.

the majority of the deaths were politician-assisted (which i hope people are prosecuted for) so it's not the big risk we were led to believe and (over) reacted to.. the bls reported this morning that the us economy just added a huge number of jobs (most on record) and will undoubtedly benefit even more from a drive to source local production and supply chains going forwards.

Giordano

If Posters stake out a position without referencing any cite I have to assume it's made up or they are ashamed of their source.

Where they are getting their information from matters.

People on the 'left'........and/ or the independents........ do try to provide creditable information sources to make their point. Until they are run off by misinformed bullies.

Speaking of which........... as ex JW's...... we should know better. Instead we are getting a continuation of BS from sources that find it in their best interests to make up or exaggerate and label stuff as the truth just as the WTBTS does to this day.

Truth is a lot more complicated then bullshit.

We left the JW Truth when we learned that their 'truth' were lies. However we have groups of people who appear to be clinging to the notion that BS is still more convenient then truth if it suits their needs.

There is a growing concern that this forum may be starting to self destruct because of a handful of obnoxious people who would rather attack posters on a personal level then debate the information they shared.

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Video on How the WT Society is Now Concerned About Social Distancing

by RubaDub in

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we have the instructions to not engage in any meetings or outside witnessing.

she's a very pretty sister.

she is dressed in appropriate jw attire.

Giordano

The WTBTS has preferred Social distancing when it's related to dating and warm embraces or even embracing old friends. And this was decades before the present pandemic.

They seem to worry about close contact the way the Mormon's encourage special/holy underwear that prevents a person from fondling themselves even though God's intention was for people to be reproductive. Nothing like rising to the occasion.

I have no idea why a Mormon would consent to wear the holy underwear and then have an immediate need to run to the bathroom and deal with number one or number two issue. Usually both.

My wife and I decided in the early 1960's to ignore the WT's rule that one should not engage in oral sex and that......before having sex........ one needed to pray to Jehovah.

Like when your at the dinner table thanking Jah for the food your about to eat. Not to say that he actually bought the food we were going to eat.

Screw you J. You were a wet blanket when a married couple wanted to get it on.

After that there was nothing left to say.

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Lloyd Evans exploitation videos.

by phoenixrising in

i used to watch his videos on the monthly gb talks.

he has went over the top a few times doing one video on why being liberal idiot is a good thing.

he has made comments on the usa not knowing shit about what he was desperately trying to talk about.

Giordano

The WT was accepted around the world because it offered a solution to dying....... the chance that 'many living today may not die'. The Resurrection was the back up plan.

Of course everyone does die or is in the process of dying.

The WTBTS claims that Jesus resurrected Lazarus........ a one off during his ministry.

Where is Lazarus today? Probably in Salt Lake City.

Without this false hope the JW religion would have been tossed out with all of the 1000's of garbage religions that turned out to be self serving, delusional, and corrupted.

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Noah’s flood

by dothemath in

a few years ago at one of the conventions, there was a talk on gods remarkable creation.

one of the slides showed a giant sequoia tree, approximately 5000 years old!.

later another talk was about noah etc.

Giordano

To believe in the Flood and think well of the Creator is to endorse his drowning of innocent children and the unborn children. Let alone of decent people tilling the land to feed their families or village.

He is both a child murderer and the murderer of the unborn........... which means he was an abortionist.

Reconcile this if you can......... he murdered the little children and the un born.

Is that who you worship?

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Tips for a Slow Fade

by Huxley1979 in

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i'm a born and raised witness.

i was an elder for almost 20 years.

almost the same in fulltime service.

Giordano

Hi Huxley,

A lot of good advice here on this Forum.

Think of this place as your long lost village........ filled with people who are or have shared your concerns about life after being in the JW world. We are all on our own personal Journey away from a false truth.

So what replaces that so called truth? Some of us want to keep God and Jesus in our lives. Some become Buddhists....... lol.

For me....... I am a secular humanist.

Here's what that means: Secular Humanism also has high standards of ethics, but without deities, or a belief in an afterlife. Secular Humanists stand by verifiable truths and the scientific methods."

Volunteering has been mentioned as a pathway away from your normal JW life.

You find a group of people who meet regularly to accomplish something good for their community or nature , the welfare of humans and or animals.

You look for a volunteer position that is attractive to you. You meet on a regular basis and you learn who is who and who you'd like to get to know better.

Just like joining a new K H and making new friends.

In my book there are three ways to walk away from this religion.

Stop showing up, don't meet with any Elders, keep your mouth shut. Do not try to explain your position to any one who can spill the beans to the Elders. Drop your JW friends and develop new relationships.

Let's remember what an Elder is.......... usually an uneducated person who is not really skilled in anything that pertains to the journey you are on.

What is a Circuit Overseer? A company manager, a representative of a phony religion. He always sides with the Society.

Or you can say " I am dealing with a few issues and praying to Jehovah who is helping me get through these issue's....pray is working...... thanks for your concern........ I will let you know if I need your help."

Or you can use a hammer and say..."I have recently read accounts of the JW pedophile issue that has been acknowledged by the Society. I am going to wait on Jah to fix this issue".

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Fading out during the pandemic?

by Kingdavid41 in

given the current world situation with the covid-19 pandemic and so many social distancing, staying at home and self quarantining.

all meetings are currently being held on zoom assemblies and conventions are viewed via the website .

this is the perfect time to fade-out and you probably won’t even be noticed!

Giordano

I'd be a bit reserved to question family member's beliefs. They need to ask their own questions....not yours.

It's a long wait and unfortunately many family members never ask.

On the other hand this is a perfect time to share your generosity....... making sure your close family is not left out in the cold as JW's tend to do with inconvenient believers........ if they are not firm believers you may, with kindness, show them you care....even if the congregation doesn't.

There's nothing like being scorned and guilted by people who totally believe they have the Truth but don't offer anything your family may need.

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Hello everyone 😊

by SuperMarioDiMaggio in

i was a jehovah's witnesses for 15 years (1983-1998) in pietermaritzburg and durban, south africa.

i was baptised in 1985; appointed a ministerial servant in 1987 (aged 21); refused military service on religious grounds in 1989 (served a three year community service sentence) and was appointed an elder in 1993 (aged 26).

i wrote to the governing body in brooklyn four times between 1992-97, respectfully questioning the nonsense they were publishing about science and evolution (you can see all my correspondence and their hilarious replies here: http://bit.ly/jw-md-letters ).

Giordano

Kosonen you choke on the so called 'truth' re the great flood. Your like a child playing with toys. Here's the Ark....... here's the animals and people and I have to fit them in the Ark.

Let's get serious because there are consequences to some beliefs. The misnamed Jehovah (a made up name by a Catholic Monk in the 13th century).

if he actually did ... as per your belief.....drown everyone on the planet..... because your Jehovah had a total hissy fit because of the wickedness of the worlds population......... what do you make of His drowning every person not on the Ark and every innocent animal not on the Ark?

Of course the Great Flood is total bull shit......... but leaving that bull shit as a possible reality.......... how do you justify what god accomplished with that so called 'Great Flood'.

He rid the earth of wicked people? So how long after the Flood did the wicked world reset itself?

You can pick any era and you'll find wicked people...... so God did not accomplish anything. Yes there was this Nephilim situation but apparently some of them survived according to the Bible.

But lets go to a real issue. Not only did God drown the adults he drown the unborn and the little children. When do you declare a little child or unborn child wicked?

Of course as the story goes God can see the future and knew it was all going to be wicked again and worse. So what kind of mental genesis was God? Apparently a fool on a fool's errand.

Now here's two observations:

The flood changed nothing in world history re wickedness.

God drowned the unborn along with every person....... man, women and child who were not on the Ark. The unborn? Why? Oh yeah they were going to turn out to be wicked.

Have you ever noticed in the old Testament that God hate's children?

Why didn't God send his son down to kill the actual bad people pre flood? Jesus and his army of angels could have destroyed every bad actor on a selective basis. Set an example of God's wrath on sinners.

You answer these questions without mumble jumbo bullshit and your simple beliefs fly out the door........ The answer was and is..... there was no Flood, there is no god, no Satan........heaven or angels........... it's all a Myth of epic proportions designed for fools.

History from that time to this time is recorded and the great flood story doesn't emerge.

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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

by minimus in

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i agree with people who say all lives matter.

i think blm is a racist group.

if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

Giordano

The WT Society....... is proud of having 36 to 37% black members or members of color but makes sure those members are not often part of the Bethel family and seldom Elders.We have had just one black brother on the GB....... for ever.

Before Civil rights became the law of the land........ in the USA JW's kept separate from the black brothers and sisters in the South.

They called each other brothers and sisters but they kept their distance.

Racism is racism... it's easy to see.