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I want my donations back!

by Hortenzie in

i want to ask wt for my donations back.

i live in canada and i have income tax receipts from them so i can prove how much i gave them.... anybody ever tried something like that or heard about somebody doing it?

what approach should i take?.

Try phoning and asking for your money back and find out on what basis they will not return it to you. If they simply tell you their legal rights, that you voluntarily gave them this money and that they have no requirement to pay you back then discuss this further with them.

Explain to them that this is not a legal issue but rather a spiritual and moral issue and on what basis biblically do they feel they have no obligation to return the money to you even though you are asking that they do so. If you feel that they took your money through deceptive means and promises then tell them so.

I believe that the true christian would return money given freely to them if the giver had a change of heart and felt he was truelly being wronged by. The true christian would not want to be the cause of stumblying this man or be the cause of ill feelings. The true christian would also know that they were not dependant on this man's money but would rather put faith in the fact that God will provide.

Let's say there was a man who donated half his land and built a Kingdom Hall on it then titled to deed over to the local congregation. One day in the future he is disfellowhipped because he is not considered repentent enough. The man is shunned by all the JWs and his parents move out of his house. They continue to use the hall which is right next to the house. This man feels dishonored and used and asks for the congregation to return ownership of the land and hall back to him. Although they have no legal obligation to do so and do believe that the right thing to do would be to return it to him or to appropiately compensate him.

Unfortunately, religious organizations aren't generally interested in doing the Godly thing when money becomes involved.

If you do call, it would be great if you could record it.

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The New Diary of Winston Smith

by WinstonSmith in

we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

Listener

It must hurt to read her response Winston, spending the time to give you one excuse after the other means she is hiding something or you are hitting a nerve with her and she can't ignore it, although she is trying. She isn't sure of herself in replying to you. You've given her a lot of things to consider and she has promised you she is going to do that. Don't feel too badly because it sounds like she really will consider things closely.

Personally, I would write to her sooner and really take issue with her not informing you of going overseas. Even if she believes the WTBTS is correct in their shunning doctrine they still allow communication on a 'need to know basis'. You obviously love and care for her very much and she is deliberately withholding this from you. It's not right and this just demonstrates how the shunning doctine leads to other unnatural and unloving behaviour. If the shunning doctrine was christian then we would see only good things and good behaviour resulting from it. I just don't understand why your mother would not let you know that she was going overseas and not allow you to come to their assistance if there was a need.

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Qualifications for Gods Sole Channel--interesting article from the meletivivlon site

by Jon Preston in

qualifications to become gods channel of communication[this article was contributed by apollos].

the new teaching of the appointment of the faithful and discreet slave has arguably made 1919 an even more important date to jehovahs witnesses than 1914. appendix b1 of the revised nwt bible shows a time line of the message of the bible in relation to gods rulership.

it is of note that the official doctrine of the establishment of gods kingdom in 1914 is not even mentioned only that satan was cast down around that time.. ever since the 1919 doctrine was announced at the 2012 agm, and subsequently published in the july 15th watchtower 2013, the appointment of the slave seems to have become a much more prominent topic in our teaching, and indeed in general discussion among witnesses.. of course we should remind ourselves that this new level of interest really has nothing to do with the date, and everything to do with the nature of the appointment.

Listener

Why would Jesus have chosen this man above all other men in the World? Oh that's right, he basically owned the WTBTS and without the WTBTS there would be no church today.

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exJW Elder and Felon in Jail

by Haupi33 in

exjw elder and felony fugative, michael johnson norris, plead guilt today, 2/27/2014, in santa barbara county superior court for sexual molestation of the daughter of brandon joel, under a plea deal norris was sentenced to in state prison, a far cry from the possible 25 years he could have received had the case gone to trial.

the family has full intentions of pursuing a civil litigation against norris and the watchtower society that harbors pedophiles..

Listener

Do you have a link to this information Haupi?

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Modern Day Governing Body Members Do Not Go "Door To Door" or Informal Witnessing! Why?

by RottenRiley in

what sorrow awaits you!

for you say that it means nothing to swear by gods temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the temple.

20when you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it.

Listener

To feel the need to publish a photo, even a fake one, of their popes witnessing, speaks volumes in itself.

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Is saying "I don't want to be a Jehovah's Witness anymore" enough?

by DuvanMuvan in

jw
friends

i was just wondering.

say you were baptised and stopped going to the meetings, when the elders and people ask why can you just say you don't want to be a jw anymore without giving a reason?

i mean it's not like they can force it out of you and you aren't necessarily spreading lies or whatever they say apostates do.. if anything they'll have to keep talking to you to find an actual reason to df you so if you're literally as vague as possible then what basis do they have?

Listener

If you are trying to keep things simole then don't say 'I don't want to be a JW anymore'. It is too shocking for a lot of JWs and they will want to dig further. It would be better to say that you don't want to attend the meetings anymore and go out in field service.

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Watchtower Farms Cemetery

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

did someone post this already?.

the list of the watchtower farms cementery.... http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&gscid=2403939.

gorby.

Listener

Unfortunately, the magazines and books that these guys spent so much of their time making are obsolete. What a waste of time.

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Suggestion for title of final Final Talk from GB

by sparrowdown in

ok, so it's right before the big a.. gb are just about to depart heavenward but not before leaving us something to remember them by.. so after several rounds of rock, paper, scissors one of them goes up to the podium, adjusts his tie, clears his throat and says....... .

"so long, and thanks for all the fish".

now anyone familiar with hitch hikers guide to the galaxy would know that was.

Listener

Remember, Jesus will be giving us all his belongings, you ain't seen nothing yet, we've got plenty more in store for you domestics.

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The Judicial Committee videos in english

by confusedandalone in

jw
friends

not sure if this has been posted but the jwsurvey site received the videos in english from someone.. this crap is pathetic to watch.

how to counsel someone who is suicidal... really.

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/doubts-over-organizational-solidarity-as-disturbing-video-on-handling-suicide-is-leaked.

Listener

I am amazed that the elders are not insulted and humiliated by the GB who think that they need to be taught their way of dealing with these matters. Don't these elders have a brain?

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New Book. Intro essay

by Old Goat in

posted by the authors on their blog http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

dr. de vienne tells me they're down to a final edit of the last chapter.

publication is in a matter of a very few weeks.

Listener

Thanks for the additional information Old Goat. A couple of weeks ago I looked further into information about Russell available on the internet, including numerous court cases. Along with that and the treatment of his seperated wife and why they seperated paints a different picture of the man.

It sounds like the third book will be more interesting.