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  GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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  www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

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  As someone else pointed out the wording in the Media Release states that they 'anticipate' that this hearing will take place.

  This might suggest that they have as yet had no confirmation from Geoffrey Jackson that he will attend.
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  Drum Article written by JWFacts

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's a link written by paul grundy and presented by abc the drum.

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-10/grundy-flaws-in-jehovahs-witness/6680286 .

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  Here's a link written by Paul Grundy and presented by ABC The Drum

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-10/grundy-flaws-in-jehovahs-witness/6680286
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  Good news RE - Geoffrey Jackson and the RC

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hey guys.

  this was just put up on the rc site.

  rc will recommence on the 14th august.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

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  From the RC website

  Public hearing into the Jehovah’s Witnesses to recommence

  10 August, 2015

  The Royal Commission’s public hearing into the Jehovah’s Witnesses will recommence in Sydney on Friday 14 August 2015 at 11:00am.

  It is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, Mr Geoffrey Jackson, a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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  Leaving the org and marriage possibly ending

  by atacrossroads in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was raised a witness, baptized at 16, vacation pioneered, got married, etc.

  i was very much your typical witness and believed it was the truth until last summer.

  a very close relative of mine left the witnesses.

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  "He said he did not marry me to be signed up to an apostate"

  Yes he did and it's part of his scriptural obligation. He probably said this out of anger but it must leave you with guilt feelings when you should have none. You signed up to a religion that you did not fully understand, that doesn't make you guilty.

  I am very careful not to speak negatively about the witnesses beliefs to him and support him in still wanting to be a witness. I can live with him being a witness. I don't know if he can handle me celebrating holidays and openly hanging out with apostates.

  Others with experience will have more insight about this but I guess now it all comes down to respect for each other. Celebrating a birthday in your home would be very hurtful. Whether you would tell him that you were going to a Birthday party or not is a personal decision but in marriage being honest is probably the best approach.
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  The Australian: Women to 'Never Rule' in Jehovah's church

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/women-to-never-rule-in-jehovahs-church/story-fn3dxiwe-1227470092202.

  august 4, 2015 annette blackwell.

  a jehovah's witness official says the church's stance to never let women hold decision-making roles compares to muslim and aboriginal people adhering to their own ancient beliefs.

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  Listener

  A search on the WT library with the words 'approach mature sister' brought up 2 results, one from a KM which said a sister could approach another sister to give her opinion about her clothing.

  The other comment was this from the W 1973 9/15. It is under the title 'Breaking free from SELF abuse'. Guess what the self-abuse is? Yep, masturbation. However it does set a precedent.

  Some persons find it most difficult to discontinue the habit abruptly. So, when they occasionally relapse—usually in a state of semiconscious sleep—they develop deep feelings of guilt and of being unworthy of Jehovah’s mercy. For these reasons it is not only helpful but often advisable to seek the aid and encouragement of a Christian elder. When a girl has the problem she may want to approach either an elder or a mature, respected Christian sister for help.—Titus 2:2-4.

  Titus 2:2-4 states

  2 Let the aged men be moderate in habits, serious, sound in mind, healthy in faith, in love, in endurance. 3 Likewise let the aged women be reverent in behavior, not slanderous, neither enslaved to a lot of wine, teachers of what is good; 4 that they may recall the young women to their senses to love their husbands, to love their children

  Seems to me that this supports teaching and shepherding in the congregation, but only between females.

  Watchtower 91 7/1 states this

  Our review of women mentioned in the Bible has enabled us to see that age does not prevent women of faith from serving Jehovah. This fact was illustrated in the cases of Sarah, Elizabeth, and Anna. Today, there are many Christian women advanced in years who are fine examples of faith and endurance. In addition, they can discreetly back up the elders by helping the younger sisters. Drawing on their long experience, they can give wise counsel to younger women, even as the Scriptures authorize them to do. (Titus 2:3-5)
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  royal commission so far

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  before another day goes past please, summarize the outcome in dot points of the royal commission so far.

  for me in no order;.

  that the wt considers sex crimes against children of little importance.

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  Killer Jones, I just don't know what to say. That information is huge.

  When was this and do you still have the card?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  The Rebel, welcome to the forum and for your willingness to discuss a topic that tends to really stir some posters up. The topic has been discussed before and received a similar reaction.

  When deciding to open a discussion, you can always do a search if you want to get some insight into the types of comments that can be expected.
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  royal commission so far

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  before another day goes past please, summarize the outcome in dot points of the royal commission so far.

  for me in no order;.

  that the wt considers sex crimes against children of little importance.

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  I just wrote my opinion about the scripture in Matthew and to me it seems clear that it is not talking about having witnesses to confirm guilt. This is what I wrote on another forum and would appreciate it if someone could tell me if my understanding is not correct.

  <<Matthew 18:15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector. >>

  This scripture is not applied by the JWs, somehow they extract a two witness policy from it. In the first part it authorizes a person who is aware of the other persons sin to go and point out their fault, to discuss it with them in the hope that the sinner will recognize their wrongdoing and correct their ways, that is how they will be 'won over'. But if he doesn't acknowledge his sin as a wrongdoing then the next verse says that the first person needs to bring along another one or two persons so that the sinner now has two or three persons testifying that what he is doing is wrong and needs to correct his way. If the person still does not acknowledge what he is doing as sinful then the matter needs to be brought up with the church. This could mean one of two things. That the leaders of the church, who would be considered the final authority on a matter would then need to also provide testimony to the fact that the person has sinned and needs to correct his way or the second meaning could be that the whole of the congregation should be brought into the matter. Then if he still doesn't listen he is no longer to be treated as a Brother.

  How is this different to the establishment of the two witness policy that the JWs apply? Clearly in the fist instance the sin has already been established and even when two or three are brought into the situation and there is no acknowledgement of the sin then there is a third step and that is to bring in the Church, not to establish the sin but to have the sinner acknowledge that what he has done is wrong. Then if he still doesn't acknowledge his sin the matter is to be brought to the Church. If they cannot turn the sinner around from his wrongdoing BECAUSE he has not acknowledged his sin before two or three witnesses even, then the Church should no longer treat him as a brother.

  The start of the scripture at Verse 15 sets the scene. "If your brother or sister sins go and point out their fault" It says nothing about establishing the sin, it is already a given. It is the reverse of what the JWs interpret it as. Instead of having witnesses to establish the sin there are witnesses to help make the sinner aware that he is at fault
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  England just won back the ashes

  by barry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes england just won back the ashes at trent bridge.. by an innings and 78 runs and their celebrating like a pack of wild dogs.. if it wasn't for the royal commission all australia would be in serious depression tonight.

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  I guess we have to let them win sometimes, they'd lose interest if we didn't.:)
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  JW.ORG on “uncleanness” that displeases God

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been recently reading in jw.org the following absurdities on their black and white world: .

  do jehovahs witnesses have rules about dating?......christians who want to marry are commanded to choose only a fellow believer.

  (1 corinthians 7:39) jehovahs witnesses view this command as referring not merely to a person who respects our beliefs but to one who shares and practices those beliefs as a baptized witness.

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  The organizations explicit definitions relating to sexual acts is just crazy, breaking it down to what physically constitutes loose conduct, gross uncleanness and fornication, with each of those graduating in seriousness. Unfortunately it has had the repercussion that Elders have not taken as seriously as they should have when child abuse has occurred.

  I think touching a females breast is only considered as loose conduct regardless of whether it brings a male to the point of ejaculation or not.