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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  The GB have failed to keep a diligent watch by their own admission - 'we just don't know'

  Splane said that they didn't know when the the last of the anointed in the first group died and when the last of the second group became anointed which, according to their interpretation, would have been before the last of the first group died. He said they just didn't know.

  However, he proudly named numerous anointed persons from both the first group and the second group. He didn't say that these people alleged they were anointed, he said they were and was able to identify them by name.

  They keep detailed records of publications printed, distributed, hours of witnessing work, number of publishers and the list goes on but he cannot identify the end date of the first group and the last person in the second group. They are the elite, true brothers and are supposed to be working together in the body of Christ.

  They profess to know what Jesus meant by this generation but fail to keep adequate track of the anointed in order to make better application of Jesus' words. Only they could have done this by their own reckoning and they failed, they just don't know.
  
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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  Baldeagle, when you have the power to decide your own answers you'll win every time. Problem is, they might not like the prize.
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  Listener

  I love the way he asks the JW viewer to think about what scripture they would use to explain the meaning of a generation, pauses and then comes up with a scripture that he thinks applies.

  What he was really saying was - 'now that we, the GB, have come up with a new, complicated idea to explain that this generation doesn't mean anything close the common language meaning of the term, we need to twist other scriptures to support the idea. Help us out brothers and think of other scriptures that you think we might be able to use. We gave you the idea now you support it biblically.'
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  Love it Moly, all it is missing is the wand.
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  The WTS invests in military industries?

  by Achille in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  what do you think of this document?

  the wts invests in military industries?.

  https://app.box.com/s/bwgbd3759t49wskwwdpo8lsgeu1rw5fc .

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/109731/setting-record-straight-re-riley-trust-tobacco-compan-stock-wts?size=10&page=1

  The link above will provide more information
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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  Listener

  That is what he is saying Marvster which makes his interpretation of Ex 1:6 screwed up. He is defining it in minute detail whereas the scripture is just referring to him and his brothers being in that generation.
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  Splane makes special mention that Franz was baptized in 1913 so in 1914 he qualified to be considered as one of the anointed that discerned the times of the end and therefore part of the first group. Back in 1914 up to about 1935 all those baptized were considered to be anointed. I think he is making the point that those of the second group would be considered to be of that group, not when they were born or even baptized but at the time they considered themselves anointed and before the death of the last anointed person in the first group.

  This wouldn't be so bad if they were just speculating once again.. It would be easy to excuse their speculation on the basis that they are just trying to maintain an urgency amongst the sheep so that they remain on the watch. But they are not merely speculating. They claim that this teaching is what Jesus meant when he said 'this generation'. Splane also lists a number of men who were and are anointed, he doesn't say that these people 'claim' to be of the anointed but states it as fact.
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  Listener

  Oubliette's chart is more accurate because he has the second group starting just after 1914 whereas Splane's chart has this second group starting around 1935, as indicated by the red shaded area. They can't even get their own chart right.
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  JW Elder Lawsuit Update: AAWA Fliers are Illegal and Uncle claims he is "Going to Kill us in Court"!

  by ReligionOfHatred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, my uncle made the first move by taking my mom, dad, grandma and grandpa(all in good jws in standing and non have put out anti-jw fliers or speech), that's who he is taking to court.

  i have left the organization but than again, i was only a unbaptized publisher.

  my grandma (whom i love so dearly was shocked to learn "i am not going to marry a pioneer and i don't want anything to do with any pro-jw females, i feel this religion is one of the most hateful religions mankind has seen).

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  Rather than focusing on whether putting up the signs is illegal or not you should focus on what you would gain out of doing this. Is it out of retaliation? Do you expect positive results?

  These problems have been going on for a long time and the issues are getting worse, not better which probably means that it is not being handled properly. It probably never will be and if that is the case you need to be more concerned about how you and your family can best come out of this with the least damage.

  It might mean losing money or a sense of justice not being done. These are things that many good people in this world lose out on. What you don't want to happen is that you or your family become so absorbed in this that you become bitter and depressed.

  There are times when 'turning the other cheek', although difficult, is the best course. Don't sink to their level.
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  Hello world !

  by Mrs. Eden in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, here i am.. hello world, mrs. eden sending regards to everyone.

  :).

  my english is limited, so please go easy on me.. mrs. eden.

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  Listener

  Welcome Mrs Eden.