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WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

by sammy in

wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

Listener

Vinman,

Regarding the K2 STB Fund Ltd, the link Sammy (OP) provided shows the original document filed by the Fund with the U.S. Government's Security & Exchange Commission and lists the WTBTS as the Beneficial Owner and that 40 million had been invested.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801

As for the WTBTS's investment in the JW Morgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund, the link in my above posts shows this information as recorded also on the U.S. Government's Security & Exchange Commission website.

What's so interesting about this information is that it is definite proof that they have been investing in the money market and hedge funds. We knew that they had been attending seminars on these types of investments but this is the first time that I have seen proof that they have actualy invested WTBTS money into them. Also, it is clear that they are desperate for money and have upped their strategies to obtain it from the congregations, JWs, the sale of Kingdom Halls and the Bethel selloffs. The question is, where has all their money gone? They are losing money in court cases but they may have lost a lot due to risky investing when the market crashed several years ago.

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WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

by sammy in

wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

Listener

Data Dog

Is this information available to the public? Does the WTBTS really have $500,000,000.00?? Inquiring minds want to know!!

No, as far as I can tell, the fund is set up as K2 STB Fund Ltd being a fund set up in 2007 dealing in Hedge Funds. This fund does not appear to be owned or controlled by the WTBTS as the WTBTS has only invested into it. The limit of the fund is 500 million. The Fund shows that only $40 million was sold and bought by the WTBTS, it doesn't look like any other entity has bought into it.

In 2011 the Form D filing shows that there still remained one investor with their investment amount being 40 million. The Form D in 2012 shows that there were no investors and no money invested in the Fund. It doesn't show what happened to it and how much money was returned (if any) to the one investor, being the WTBTS. Since this was before the market crash it would be interesting to know how much funds were lost.

http://whalewisdom.com/filer/k2-stb-fund-ltd

(click on Form D/A for info)

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WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

by sammy in

wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

Listener

The WTBTS is listed as an attendee at the Goldman Sachs 2012 Growth Markets Summit, Growth Markets Insights: Shaping Global Investment Themes

http://www.goldmansachs.com/gsam/pdfs/growth-summit-2012/2012GMS_RECAP2.pdf

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WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

by sammy in

wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

Listener

Great information and also provides an avenue for further info gathering through google.

They have also been involved in the money market through JP Morgan

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/763852/000110465904032738/a04-10711_3497.htm

As of October 27, 2004, the following persons owned of record or beneficially 5% or more of the outstanding shares of the class identified of any of the Acquired Funds or Acquiring Funds. Shareholders indicated below holding greater than 25% or more of a Fund are "controlling persons" under the 1940 Act.

Fund	Class	Name and Address of Owner	Type of Ownership	Percentage of Class of Shares			Percentage of Fund			Percentage of Combined Fund after Reorganization*
JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Agency	JPMORGAN INVESTOR SERVICES CASH MGMT INVESTMENT SUPPORT ATTN CASH SWEEP OPERATIONS 14221 DALLAS PARKWAY 2JIP 6TH FL DALLAS TX 75254-2942	Record		40.207	%		3.839	%		0.921	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Agency	JPMORGAN INVESTOR SERVICES CASH MGMT INVESTMENT SUPPORT ATTN CASH SWEEP OPERATIONS 14221 DALLAS PARKWAY 2JIP 6TH FL DALLAS TX 75254-2942	Record		35.324	%		3.373	%		0.809	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Agency	STROOCK STROOCK & LAVAN LLP 180 MAIDEN LANE NEW YORK NY 10038-4925	Record		8.384	%		0.801	%		0.192	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Institutional	WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA ATTN TREASURERS OFFICE DOMESTIC CASH MANAGEMENT 25 COLUMBIA HTS BROOKLYN NY 11201-1300	Record		7.337	%		6.427	%		1.541	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Institutional	JPMORGAN TRUST CO NA PAUL G ALLEN - COLLATERAL ACCOUNT ATTN FUND OPERATIONS 3/OPS3 500 STANTON CHRISTIANA ROAD NEWARK DE 19713-2107	Record		7.229	%		6.333	%		1.519	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Institutional	AGILENT TECHNOLOGIES ATTN TREASURY ACCOUNTING DEPT PLOT NO 90 D SECTOR 18 UDYOG VIHAR GURGAON 122015 HARRYANA INDIA	Record		6.020	%		5.274	%		1.265	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Institutional	SPRINT CORP ATTN KSOPHF0302-3B372 SUP CASH OPS 6200 SPRINT PKWY OVERLAND PARK KS 66251-6117	Record		5.516	%		4.833	%		1.159	%

JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund	Morgan	JPMORGAN INSTITUTIONAL TRUST SERVICES FBO VARIOUS TRUSTS ATTN VIRGINIA DELGADO 2001 BRYAN TOWER 11TH FLOOR DALLAS TX 75254	Record		32.000	%		0.292	%		0.070	%

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Saw the invisible, but didn't see ourselves

by Marvin Shilmer in

jw
friends

the recent chart-thumping nonsense from governing body member david splane inspired a new article on my blog.

it highlights the level of "spiritual discernment" demonstrated by these men, and those who follow them.

saw the invisible, but didn't see ourselves .

Listener

Apparently even though they were able to see something invisible in 1914, it was too dark to see it properly and took another 100 years with new light to clearly see it.

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Jeneration Jokes

by prologos in

it is cruel to make fun of the pathetic attempts of br.

splane to come clean of the 1914 and generation predicament, but it is not only funny, for lives are seriously affected, but hey, having a humorous, irreverent outlook helps, so.

here are prologos', copy-righted contributions of.

Listener

The GB members were once overlappers, now they're just the underlappers.

When can a person be of two generations? Mark Sanderson is part of one generation being from the second group or underlappers of 'this generation' and since around '92 now becomes part of the second generation because his life overlaps with the third group anointed after that date.

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New light from GB member David Splane!

by Island Man in

in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

would he be part of joseph's generation?

Listener

Prologos -But they were able to cite concrete examples like F.Franz's ~86 year tenure as a partaker. We must assume then, to be relevant, that the unknown "anointed" exceeded that duration, and the conclusion from that is:
the rapture, the paradise lays beyond 2075, the time of the 100 year anniversary of 1975;-- just like the centennial of 1914 is also already past.

Ultimately they've stuffed up with their new light. Their aim was to make it seem that the remaining time is very short and every time they explain this new teaching this is what they try to conclude.

Maybe this is why they keep trying new ways of explaining this teaching because the sheepies aren't getting the point of the whole excercise. They have not once said it could be as long as 2075, they try to claim the opposite by continually pointing out that those in the second group are well advanced in years.

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New light from GB member David Splane!

by Island Man in

in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

would he be part of joseph's generation?

Listener

The GB have failed to keep a diligent watch by their own admission - 'we just don't know'

Splane said that they didn't know when the the last of the anointed in the first group died and when the last of the second group became anointed which, according to their interpretation, would have been before the last of the first group died. He said they just didn't know.

However, he proudly named numerous anointed persons from both the first group and the second group. He didn't say that these people alleged they were anointed, he said they were and was able to identify them by name.

They keep detailed records of publications printed, distributed, hours of witnessing work, number of publishers and the list goes on but he cannot identify the end date of the first group and the last person in the second group. They are the elite, true brothers and are supposed to be working together in the body of Christ.

They profess to know what Jesus meant by this generation but fail to keep adequate track of the anointed in order to make better application of Jesus' words. Only they could have done this by their own reckoning and they failed, they just don't know.

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New light from GB member David Splane!

by Island Man in

in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

would he be part of joseph's generation?

Listener

Baldeagle, when you have the power to decide your own answers you'll win every time. Problem is, they might not like the prize.

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TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

by Designer Stubble in

guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

david spane does his best to explain it again.

the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

Listener

I love the way he asks the JW viewer to think about what scripture they would use to explain the meaning of a generation, pauses and then comes up with a scripture that he thinks applies.

What he was really saying was - 'now that we, the GB, have come up with a new, complicated idea to explain that this generation doesn't mean anything close the common language meaning of the term, we need to twist other scriptures to support the idea. Help us out brothers and think of other scriptures that you think we might be able to use. We gave you the idea now you support it biblically.'