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  JOHN OLIVER START'S CHURCH ON HBO! Greedy Televangelists 20 Minute Exposed!  $60 million planes!

  by ReligionOfHatred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when you watch this video our religion is pure compared to the depths of their greed.

  john oliver exposed one of them and created a religion on tv, please enjoy!

  this is what i need to post instead of family drama, thank you all for helping me!.

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  I'm getting a message to say that the uploader wouldn't permit viewing in my country - Australia.
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  OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

  by Paul Bonanno in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

  they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

  one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

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  It appears that being an NGO participant at hearings requires little in relationship to the OSCE. This is unlike NGO Associate requirements in regards to the UN

  This is from a report on the OSCE website

  NGOs have played a vital role in the OSCE process since its very beginning. The OSCE participating States recognize that NGOs have valuable roles to fulfil in resolving conflicts, promoting tolerance, reporting on human rights issues, delivering humanitarian aid, conflict prevention and early warning. The OSCE has a policy of openness towards NGOs: it has no definition of a non-governmental organization and applies no criteria in its activities and relationship with NGOs other than that they shall not support terrorist activities. The OSCE works with relevant NGOs whether registered or not. The ODIHR has been asked by a participating State to assist it in the drafting of a new law on associations.

  http://www.osce.org/odihr/16645?download=true

  From reading the whole report I gather that NGO status is generally obtained from the entities own Government and they must meet their requirements.
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  WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

  by sammy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

  the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

  http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

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  Vinman,

  Regarding the K2 STB Fund Ltd, the link Sammy (OP) provided shows the original document filed by the Fund with the U.S. Government's Security & Exchange Commission and lists the WTBTS as the Beneficial Owner and that 40 million had been invested.

  http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801

  As for the WTBTS's investment in the JW Morgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund, the link in my above posts shows this information as recorded also on the U.S. Government's Security & Exchange Commission website.

  What's so interesting about this information is that it is definite proof that they have been investing in the money market and hedge funds. We knew that they had been attending seminars on these types of investments but this is the first time that I have seen proof that they have actualy invested WTBTS money into them. Also, it is clear that they are desperate for money and have upped their strategies to obtain it from the congregations, JWs, the sale of Kingdom Halls and the Bethel selloffs. The question is, where has all their money gone? They are losing money in court cases but they may have lost a lot due to risky investing when the market crashed several years ago.
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  WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

  by sammy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

  the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

  http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

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  Data Dog

  Is this information available to the public? Does the WTBTS really have $500,000,000.00?? Inquiring minds want to know!!

  No, as far as I can tell, the fund is set up as K2 STB Fund Ltd being a fund set up in 2007 dealing in Hedge Funds. This fund does not appear to be owned or controlled by the WTBTS as the WTBTS has only invested into it. The limit of the fund is 500 million. The Fund shows that only $40 million was sold and bought by the WTBTS, it doesn't look like any other entity has bought into it.

  In 2011 the Form D filing shows that there still remained one investor with their investment amount being 40 million. The Form D in 2012 shows that there were no investors and no money invested in the Fund. It doesn't show what happened to it and how much money was returned (if any) to the one investor, being the WTBTS. Since this was before the market crash it would be interesting to know how much funds were lost.

  http://whalewisdom.com/filer/k2-stb-fund-ltd

  (click on Form D/A for info)
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  WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

  by sammy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

  the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

  http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

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  The WTBTS is listed as an attendee at the Goldman Sachs 2012 Growth Markets Summit, Growth Markets Insights: Shaping Global Investment Themes

  http://www.goldmansachs.com/gsam/pdfs/growth-summit-2012/2012GMS_RECAP2.pdf
  
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  WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

  by sammy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

  the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

  http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

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  Great information and also provides an avenue for further info gathering through google.

  They have also been involved in the money market through JP Morgan

  http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/763852/000110465904032738/a04-10711_3497.htm

  As of October 27, 2004, the following persons owned of record or beneficially 5% or more of the outstanding shares of the class identified of any of the Acquired Funds or Acquiring Funds. Shareholders indicated below holding greater than 25% or more of a Fund are "controlling persons" under the 1940 Act.

  Fund				Class				Name and Address of Owner				Type of Ownership				Percentage of Class of Shares				Percentage of Fund				Percentage of Combined Fund after Reorganization*
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Agency				JPMORGAN INVESTOR SERVICES CASH MGMT INVESTMENT SUPPORT ATTN CASH SWEEP OPERATIONS 14221 DALLAS PARKWAY 2JIP 6TH FL DALLAS TX 75254-2942				Record					40.207	%			3.839	%			0.921	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Agency				JPMORGAN INVESTOR SERVICES CASH MGMT INVESTMENT SUPPORT ATTN CASH SWEEP OPERATIONS 14221 DALLAS PARKWAY 2JIP 6TH FL DALLAS TX 75254-2942				Record					35.324	%			3.373	%			0.809	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Agency				STROOCK STROOCK & LAVAN LLP 180 MAIDEN LANE NEW YORK NY 10038-4925				Record					8.384	%			0.801	%			0.192	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Institutional				WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA ATTN TREASURERS OFFICE DOMESTIC CASH MANAGEMENT 25 COLUMBIA HTS BROOKLYN NY 11201-1300				Record					7.337	%			6.427	%			1.541	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Institutional				JPMORGAN TRUST CO NA PAUL G ALLEN - COLLATERAL ACCOUNT ATTN FUND OPERATIONS 3/OPS3 500 STANTON CHRISTIANA ROAD NEWARK DE 19713-2107				Record					7.229	%			6.333	%			1.519	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Institutional				AGILENT TECHNOLOGIES ATTN TREASURY ACCOUNTING DEPT PLOT NO 90 D SECTOR 18 UDYOG VIHAR GURGAON 122015 HARRYANA INDIA				Record					6.020	%			5.274	%			1.265	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Institutional				SPRINT CORP ATTN KSOPHF0302-3B372 SUP CASH OPS 6200 SPRINT PKWY OVERLAND PARK KS 66251-6117				Record					5.516	%			4.833	%			1.159	%
  JPMorgan Liquid Assets Money Market Fund				Morgan				JPMORGAN INSTITUTIONAL TRUST SERVICES FBO VARIOUS TRUSTS ATTN VIRGINIA DELGADO 2001 BRYAN TOWER 11TH FLOOR DALLAS TX 75254				Record					32.000	%			0.292	%			0.070	%
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  Saw the invisible, but didn't see ourselves

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the recent chart-thumping nonsense from governing body member david splane inspired a new article on my blog.

  it highlights the level of "spiritual discernment" demonstrated by these men, and those who follow them.

  saw the invisible, but didn't see ourselves .

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  Apparently even though they were able to see something invisible in 1914, it was too dark to see it properly and took another 100 years with new light to clearly see it.
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  Jeneration Jokes

  by prologos in

  1. social
  2. humour

  it is cruel to make fun of the pathetic attempts of br.

  splane to come clean of the 1914 and generation predicament, but it is not only funny, for lives are seriously affected, but hey, having a humorous, irreverent outlook helps, so.

  here are prologos', copy-righted contributions of.

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  The GB members were once overlappers, now they're just the underlappers.

  When can a person be of two generations? Mark Sanderson is part of one generation being from the second group or underlappers of 'this generation' and since around '92 now becomes part of the second generation because his life overlaps with the third group anointed after that date.
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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  Prologos -But they were able to cite concrete examples like F.Franz's ~86 year tenure as a partaker. We must assume then, to be relevant, that the unknown "anointed" exceeded that duration, and the conclusion from that is:
  the rapture, the paradise lays beyond 2075, the time of the 100 year anniversary of 1975;-- just like the centennial of 1914 is also already past.

  Ultimately they've stuffed up with their new light. Their aim was to make it seem that the remaining time is very short and every time they explain this new teaching this is what they try to conclude.

  Maybe this is why they keep trying new ways of explaining this teaching because the sheepies aren't getting the point of the whole excercise. They have not once said it could be as long as 2075, they try to claim the opposite by continually pointing out that those in the second group are well advanced in years.
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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  The GB have failed to keep a diligent watch by their own admission - 'we just don't know'

  Splane said that they didn't know when the the last of the anointed in the first group died and when the last of the second group became anointed which, according to their interpretation, would have been before the last of the first group died. He said they just didn't know.

  However, he proudly named numerous anointed persons from both the first group and the second group. He didn't say that these people alleged they were anointed, he said they were and was able to identify them by name.

  They keep detailed records of publications printed, distributed, hours of witnessing work, number of publishers and the list goes on but he cannot identify the end date of the first group and the last person in the second group. They are the elite, true brothers and are supposed to be working together in the body of Christ.

  They profess to know what Jesus meant by this generation but fail to keep adequate track of the anointed in order to make better application of Jesus' words. Only they could have done this by their own reckoning and they failed, they just don't know.