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Kingdom Consolidation and Sales are coming – Reliable Source

by thedepressedsoul in

i heard form a reliable source that a kingdom hall consolidation is going to be happening in the us.

currently they are looking at every kingdom hall to see if they could and should sell it.

any kingdom hall that has not been updated and is in a bad location (long driveway, not in a visible location etc...) will be sold.

Listener

Sorry to hear this. Hopefully they will at least compensate him to the value of the land.

Sounds like he made a conditional donation and by selling the property they are breaking the conditions.

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Kingdom Consolidation and Sales are coming – Reliable Source

by thedepressedsoul in

i heard form a reliable source that a kingdom hall consolidation is going to be happening in the us.

currently they are looking at every kingdom hall to see if they could and should sell it.

any kingdom hall that has not been updated and is in a bad location (long driveway, not in a visible location etc...) will be sold.

Listener

It doesn't matter if the contract was verbal, they can still be legally binding.

Brand new has your Pop confronted the elders or contacted the legal department at bethel?

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The Man With a Secretary's Inkhorn - who he, and does he wear flip-flops?

by rory-ks in

at the agm this year geoffrey jackson identified the "man with a secretary's inkhorn," of ezekiel chapter 9 as being jesus christ.

this was declared an "adjustment" from the previous understanding that the organisation used to believe that this "man" was "the annointed.".

has the society always taught that the "man with the secretary's inkhorn" was someone other than jesus - or is this a situation where back in the mists of time the bible students understood him to be jesus, and then rutherford (or someone) identified him as "the annointed," and now they have reverted back to their initial belief?.

Listener

This is another instance where the anointed have been demoted. The GB have taken away their inkhorns.

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The Society cares more about Mark Sanderson's stick of Judah than the elephant in the room

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

i just watched the segment of mark anderson's, gb member, talking at the annual general meeting.. they care more about obscure prophecies than the child abuse crisis in the organization.. he talks about the two and ten tribe kingdoms of israel, the stick of joseph and stick of judah, and likens it to the anointed and great crowd.. what a bunch of craziness!.

this is the kind of crap spiritual food the drones get..

Listener

I just watched Sanderson's segment in the video. Their ideas just go from bad to worse. The first stick are the anointed and the second stick are the other sheep, both were tribes of Israel.

"Behold one hand, one stick, in the nation of Jehovah."

What is this nation? It can't be anything other than spiritual Israel. God has only one nation. They brought up the idea in the fds doctrine that the other sheep were now included as domestics in the household.

Why don't they come straight out and just say that the other sheep are now being considered as being part of spiritual Israel? No doubt it is because so many other doctrines need to be changed. I guess there's plenty of time to introduce the changes anyway and it doesn't matter if they stumble more JWs along the way, they're showing disobedience anyway.

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The Society cares more about Mark Sanderson's stick of Judah than the elephant in the room

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

i just watched the segment of mark anderson's, gb member, talking at the annual general meeting.. they care more about obscure prophecies than the child abuse crisis in the organization.. he talks about the two and ten tribe kingdoms of israel, the stick of joseph and stick of judah, and likens it to the anointed and great crowd.. what a bunch of craziness!.

this is the kind of crap spiritual food the drones get..

Listener

The annual general meeting went on for hours and they spent a few minutes only discussing the huge changes that they are making. No solid reasons were given and it is now down to speculation.

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Most important lesson from Daniel's Prophesy - "Do YOU recognize the "holy ones of the Supreme one?"

by Zoos in

... not that they would ever toot their own horn.

* * * daniel's prophesy, chap.17, par.3 * * *.

have you found the holy ones of the supreme one, and are you associating with them?

Listener

I am interested in reading the whole of this chapter, I am wondering what this solid evidence is.

The book is not on jw org, actually I was surprised to find so few books there. With such limited information, how is anyone supposed to learn what they teach?

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Discussion with a Pioneer Pt. 3

by Saved_JW in

[cont...] at this point david and i had developed a great rapport.

not everything we talked about was "theology" .

i think its important to develop some sort of friendship along the way, in doing so, he was able to relax and not be on guard the entire time.

Listener

I can see how you can help someone who is sincerely interested in the bible.

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"The Calendar of Jehovah God" - a historical tidbit

by OrphanCrow in

in 1935, clayton woodworth (editor of the golden age - later the awake!

magazine) devised a 'new' calendar that he proposed was far superior to the pagan calendars that have been used in human history.he wrote a three part series for the golden age (i am not sure if these were actually published) that laid out his justifications for how this new calendar was more accurate and of course, was right in line with the divine plan.

the calendar was published in the 1935 yearbook, but the watchtower magazine later published a retraction to the calendar.

Listener

When I first heard about this, you realize how crazy they can be but what's even funnier is that the reasoning was given that current calendars had pagan origins and now they print a normal calendar every year for all the devoted followers.

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London Bethelites Living on Their Nerves?

by The Searcher in

just got home and received information from a source regarding london bethel: .

a bethel couple told my source that they are getting rid of about 20/25 bethelites every week and that if they are to go, they will get called in on a friday and given their leaving date.everyone is "on edge" and hoping that if they get the boot, they've got time to make alternative plans.. perhaps bethelites everywhere should apply this scripture, by looking for a job and accommodation now - and then just resign from their "vow of poverty" without giving advance warning.

(proverbs 22:3) "the shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself, but the inexperienced keep right on going and suffer the consequences.".

Listener

For the ones that are left, "Mother" has stopped washing their clothes, ironing their shirts, cleaning their rooms and making some of their meals. She's becoming very liberated.

(I hope that doesn't offend anyone, you just don't know these days)

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Discussion with a Pioneer Pt. 2

by Saved_JW in

[cont..] our conversation outdoors then took us into the small eating area inside the grocery store.

my friend richard had to leave, which left the conversation to just david and i. .

discussing the anointed .

Listener

I admire what you did, sharing 4 hours with this guy and being very knowledgeable about the bible.