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  Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

  i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

  this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

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  Listener

  About half way down are a number of news reports -

  http://www.silentlambs.org/jworgbusted.htm

  Here's the document listing the judgement against them

  http://i.imgur.com/m1sdkpp.jpg

  Approx. $10.5 million was payable for punitive damages and $3 million for compensation.

  Because the WTBTS were not complying with Court requests in providing documents and GL they chose to exercise an option apparently not used by that Court and barred the WTBTS from participating in further Court process. This meant that Lopez just needed to prove his case and the WTBTS were no longer in the position of being able to defend themselves or even argue to mitigate circumstances.

  I understand the $10.5 million in punitive damages was due to the direct behaviour of the WTBTS in not handlying this abuse properly over the years.. I don't think that this was imposed on them for directly refusing to present the documents & GL but because they were barred from participating they were unable to defend themselves to reduce this amount, more than likely costing them millions more than they would likely have had to pay.

  I can't find the final summary made by the Judge in her judgement.
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  New and Needing Friends

  by Sawaveh in

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  i'm just going to say my name is sawaveh.

  i'm looking for some jw friend's.

  i live in wa, moses lake, usa.

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  Sawaveh - but the fact that the man is the head of the house its great to me.

  How is this great for you and what does it mean to you?
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  The Watchtower are humans

  by WireRider in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower are humans.

  they have never had any conversation with any god, let alone one by a made up name.

  they never had any power at all bestowed upon them.

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  The 2.0 GB are just trying to keep alive a legacy passed on to them. The watchtower is not human, it exists as the golden calf and has grown in such stature that people are beholden to it.

  I get what you are saying waverider. The Wtbts is of human making, it's existence is of man's making.
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  An elder bought my son a suit

  by Clambake in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i guess being two months old and coming to the kh in his onesee was kind of offensive .

  how rude of me.

  i am thinking about returning to him.

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  What's next? Will they open a bank account for his college education, I mean for his pioneering fund?
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  Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

  i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

  this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

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  Smiddy, my understanding is that the Wtbts was ordered to pay such a large amount specifically because they were unco-operative, they were basically penalised in the millions.

  Their decision to withhold information and from GL not appearing cost them dearly. This exposes their weak spots and an expert lawyer will no doubt use this in future cases.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  It must be very hard for those JWs who have been in for a long time to see their KH being sold under their noses. Many of these JWs donated a lot of money in order to help finance their own Halls.

  I imagine the extra distance that they will have to travel once their KH is sold must be frustrating.
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  UPDATE APRIL 2015 New Documents Re: Charity Commission Investigation into Watchtower Britain

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  an updated list of documents relating to the charity commission investigation into watchtower of britain and jehovah's witnesses are available on jw leaks.. jw leaks.

  original charity commission press release.

  press release.

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  Listener

  I think Marc & Cora are doing a lot in this area in Britain and they have lots of support, which might be through AAWA.
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  The Case of Randy M - WTBTS & Legal Liability

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been listening to a guy called randy m, i believe an ex jw who was suing some elders and the wtbts for damage in relation to his business.

  he has recorded his conversation with the bethel legal department (john miller) about it to see if his problems could be dealt with in a satisfactory manner.

  i'm not on top of all the issues but wanted to highlight some of the more interesting aspects.. randy and john (the bethel legal guy) agree that religions are given a lot of freedom to act as they want but they are not allowed to interfere.

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  I've been listening to a guy called Randy M, I believe an ex JW who was suing some Elders and the WTBTS for damage in relation to his business. He has recorded his conversation with the Bethel Legal Department (John Miller) about it to see if his problems could be dealt with in a satisfactory manner. I'm not on top of all the issues but wanted to highlight some of the more interesting aspects.

  Randy and John (the Bethel Legal guy) agree that religions are given a lot of freedom to act as they want but they are not allowed to interfere. Randy states that he was initially only considering compensation of hundreds of dollars but due to the lack of action on the Org's part and if things did not progress in a satisfactory manner then the Org. would be facing a law suit in the millions. Apparently Randy reviewed a Scientology case where they were required to pay a person who's business was damaged based on the value of their own (Scientology's) net worth. John pointed out that the WTBTS is worth a lot more and therefore the payout would be much greater.

  There is some interesting information at the 25.10 mark and I'll summarize it below.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABolWN-uQeQ
  

  John pretends to take the idea of being sued for millions as personal, maybe in the hope of being emotionally manipulative.

  John says that they (the WTBTS) has liability insurance and points out that it is not until they pay out the initial thousands of dollars, which comes out of Watchtower first. Then John says that he's kinda hoping that 2 of the Elders in the case have homeowners insurance and if they don't then anything they are found as being liable to pay Randy is then paid by the WTBTS. He wants John to keep that in mind (because Randy has told them that he wants to remain a JW earlier on).

  Towards the end of the recording John suggests to Randy that he tell as few people as possible about the WTBTS being sued.
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  is there a new anouncment the person has been removed instead of no longer a witness

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  someone reported to me they changed announcent but he is hard of hearing and i was not present anyone hear this?

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  I think there was another poster recently that said they thought the announcement had recently changed but there is no confirmation.

  If this is the case then it is probably for legal reasons. I'm just listening to a guy called Randy M that had has years of problems with the Elders with them treating him badly and began a lawsuit against them. It was settled out of court and he was given a settlement amount. One thing he mentions is that his suit would include slander if they made an anoouncement saying he was no longer a JW. He said that it was wrong for them to announce that, in affect, he was not a witness of Jehovah.

  If the Organization had any sense then they would just announce that so and so was no longer a member of the Congregation. However that might be a problem also because I don't know that any JW is considered to be a 'member' of the congregation.
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  Yeah, my parents plan to will everything to this parasitic organization and forsake their seed

  by Phaedra in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yeah, they'll leave it all, their home, savings, etc.. never mind helping out their struggling children who never had a chance.. fuck this organization and everything it stands for when its members think god will favor them more by willing everything to a corporation instead of their own struggling seed..

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  This makes me angry because the organization is guilty of promoting this idea. I don't remember reading one word in the publications advising parents that before giving to them they need to seriously consider their own family needs ahead of their own, which is a biblical responsibility.