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Sorry for the occasional unintentional 'dislike'
by paul from cleveland ini read this forum on my phone so occasionally, as i'm scrolling down the page, i accidentally touch the 'dislike' button on a comment.
i don't have the option to 'undislike' after i touch it.
once i touch the button, i can't change it.
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Untrusted
by Esmeralda001 ingreetings,it seems that jw immediately assume that all "wordly" people (as they like to call it) are immoral and unworthy of their trust.
i sort of understand how it can be dangerous for a christian to have association with someone who doesn't share their values, but don't you think that some members take the conceal lied in corinthians 15:33 to the extreme?
what about romans 2:14?
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I'd love to know how they handle this sort of situation in the workplace. Over the years I've found myself having to travel with a male workmate for one reason or not.
Come to think of it, I was assigned to a project with a guy and it was only through being alone with him and travelling that I found out he was a JW. We got on great and he didn't think twice about the issue of us being alone.
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Bloodless surgery is the standard today because of medical progress. Or NOT?
by Nathan Natas init appears diogenesister feels a need for a proper ass-kicking.. ok, if you insist.
i'm a dub proctologist.... attempting to hijack greatteacher's thread "jw parents in severe car accident,".
diogenesister seized my observation that "bloodless surgery is the standard today, not because of the wtb&ts but because of medical progress" with he carefully-crafted argument "bull crap.".
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Would they also like to take the credit for doctors and the legal profession finding ways to have children's medical treatment being dealt with urgently when necessary, through court orders? The legal process is pretty much streamlined these days. -
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by Esmeralda001 ingreetings,it seems that jw immediately assume that all "wordly" people (as they like to call it) are immoral and unworthy of their trust.
i sort of understand how it can be dangerous for a christian to have association with someone who doesn't share their values, but don't you think that some members take the conceal lied in corinthians 15:33 to the extreme?
what about romans 2:14?
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According to their own rules the wife did the wrong thing by interrupting her husband and telling him how to handle things. -
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They've stopped putting up a label which displays the speakers name and title during the intro. The first month this started happening was November 2015.
Talking about titles, ther'es a section with two JW 'brothers' and one is appointed an MS. In typical fashion the focus appears to be on being appointed with a title rather than doing good for others simply because it is the right thing to do.
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In the past we taught it, but now we teach other thing....
by opusdei1972 ini have been reading the watchtower study edition of march 2016. here some deceptive statements so as to justify their new lights:.
when were gods people held captive by babylon the great?.
that spiritual captivity lasted from the second century c.e.
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OpuisDei1972 - That captivity began sometime in the second century C.E. and continued until the cleansing of the spiritual temple in the time of the end
The cleansing of the temple was supposed to have occurred between 1914 and 1918/9 yet if God's people were still in captivity until 1919 then there was no one in the Spiritual Temple at that time, there was nothing to be cleansed because it was vacant.
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State lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses
by Coded Logic inthe first of many lawsuits?.
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november 09, 2015. wilmington, delaware the attorney general's office is suing elders of the sussex county congregation for not reporting an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were congregation members.. state law requires any person, agency, organization or entity who knows or in good faith suspects that a child is being abused or neglected to call a 24-hour hotline.
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"exemptions for attorney-client conversations and communications "between priest and penitent in a sacramental confession."
If that is what the law specifically states then there is another issue here.
The dictionary defines the definition of a penitent as follows
adjective
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feeling or showing sorrow and regret for having done wrong; repentant.
"a penitent expression"synonyms: repentant, contrite, regretful, remorseful, sorry, apologetic, conscience-stricken, rueful, ashamed, shamefaced, abject "she stood with her hands joined below her waist like a penitent child"
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a person who repents their sins and (in the Christian Church) seeks forgiveness from God.- Given that both of them were disfellowshiped then the only reason for this is because they were found to be not repentant, that is the only reason for disfellowshipment.
Disfellowshipping takes place only if a member of the congregation unrepentantly engages in gross sin.
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CEDARS (Again) Is it really about religious beliefs?
by Listener injohn cedars has posted his latest blog "the trouble with apostates (and why it shouldn't put you off becoming one)".
i acknowledge that he is entitled to his opionin just as we are ours but i am disappointed in some of his comments.. at this stage i'll try to be objective about it.
he is defending his own position after all.. what bothers me most is his comments about athiests and christians which he seems to identify as being in conflict with each other.
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The watchtowers view on Rape!!! must see
by Khaleesi inthis person did a great job putting this together... i am disgusted with wt policies & them acting both judge & jurywatch "noonespecial - rapists - jw" on .
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https://youtu.be/lwufz7gyozm.
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CEDARS (Again) Is it really about religious beliefs?
by Listener injohn cedars has posted his latest blog "the trouble with apostates (and why it shouldn't put you off becoming one)".
i acknowledge that he is entitled to his opionin just as we are ours but i am disappointed in some of his comments.. at this stage i'll try to be objective about it.
he is defending his own position after all.. what bothers me most is his comments about athiests and christians which he seems to identify as being in conflict with each other.
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PBrow - The idea that without a god we could not figure out right or wrong is insulting.
I didn't get that when I was younger. I wondered what incentive there was for an athiest to be considerate of others. Talk about having little trust in human nature but of course it was fostered by JW indoctrination.
Under the Radar - i think this thread might be more appropriate in the Adult and Heated Debate section. I don't think it presents a very good first impression to any first-time visitors who might happen by.
You're right, the thread is not in the right section, I wasn't sure where to put it but I was hoping that it wouldn't turn into a heated debate
UTR - That said, I wonder why Listener chose to post his comments here instead of on the website more directly concerned. Is he prohibited from posting there? Or could this be a case of "forum shopping?" A less charitable person might see it as a form of evangelism or activism in itself, maybe even self-promotion.
Good question. Yes, it was a case of forum shopping. I thought this was the best place to have a reasonable discussion, both positive and negative being shared. My personal aim was to understand this idea of a war raging on and if it even exists to the extent that was suggestion. A lot of the time Cedar's knows what he is talking about and I wondered if his reactions were more emotional rather than factual. I tried to convey that in the thread title.
I don't post on Cedar's blog because I have to provide my personal email and although I could set up another one, I don't feel like doing that just so I can post on his blog.
I'm not a he, I often get referred to as a male, it's not a problem, just surprising when I have a female pictured in my Avatar.
UTR - As far as I'm concerned, Cedars can post whatever he wants on his site. If you want to take him to task, do it there. If you don't want to hear what he has to say, don't read his posts. But it seems unfair to attack him on an entirely different site. That smacks of gossip-mongering to me.
I'll take that hit but I don't really consider it as gossip-mongering when he can see everything that is posted here. As suggested previously, I didn't want to play in his playground on his terms.
I do like to hear what he has to say, he's done a lot of great work and I've added comments on his YouTube channel commending him on different aspects.
One of his most remarkable pieces of work (IMO) was an interview with a female exJW who had been abused. I think it was a little outside of his comfort zone but he put his own feelings aside and produced a very helpful video.
UTR - For the record, I don't agree with everything Cedars says and does. But he's performing a yeoman's work in exposing the Watchtower as a dangerous and mind-controlling cult. So is Simon, ApostaChick, Katie Kitten, Jakke Control, Mike & Kim, and many others, each in their own way. Some may be more to your taste than others. You might favor the approach of one more than another. You may find some cartoonish or even off-putting, but that doesn't diminish the value of the underlying message they're trying to put across . They are all to be commended for their efforts, even if you would have put or done things differently.
I agree with you and it's a great thing that there are so many activists, I don't think it is wrong in trying to understand where an activist is coming from at times, such as in the case of Cedars, particularly when it's not quite so obvious and when there seems to be so many people that think he can do no wrong. I don't see his popularity declining but I don't like to see blind worship either.
UTR - Well, why didn't you?
What can I say except repeat a previous comment you made - "A less charitable person might see it as a form of evangelism or activism in itself, maybe even self-promotion."
The self promotion part seems to be stretching it a bit too far but given that it is likely to be the opinion of a less charitable person, I needn't take it to heart.