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  Fishing and JW's???

  by lurkernomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was just reading a thread and came across a completely new jw 'rule', that of not being allowed to go fishing!..

  at least it's new to me as i always enjoyed fishing as did others in my old congregation.

  anyone else heard of this or had this imposed on them in they're jw lives?.

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  Listener

  Thanks to WiFi Bandit I've now got access to the W Library

  W 1950 5/15

  On the other hand, there are some things that are lawful or unlawful depending upon the purpose. Hunting and fishing, when done solely for sport, are condemned by the Scriptures. It is selfish and wicked to deprive a creature of life merely for the thrill of pitting one’s powers against it or to satisfy the lust to kill. But game and fish are among the good things that God has provided for man, and therefore it is entirely right and proper to hunt and fish for clothing and food.

  
  
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  Oh, If Only You Poor Bethelites Had................

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ........obeyed the scriptures you know so well, instead of trying to worship "god's corporation".. (ecclesiastes 5:5) "better for you not to vow than to vow and not pay.".

  the corporation is now giving many of you what you agreed to - a life of real poverty!.

  your poverty outside of bethel is a wee bit different from the poverty in "satan's world" - where you've just been thrown to fend for yourselves.

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  Listener

  There is more restrictions in that document than a a wedding vow.

  It is wrong of a Christian to dedicate themselves to an organisation without, at the very least, having a clause in there specifying that they will only be in subjection to the GB if it does not conflict with god's laws.

  It is even worse for the org to request this type of submission without this qualification.
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  Bethel layoffs of oldies

  by I am a Bible Student in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is this true?

  has anyone heard of it?

  saw it on my facebook.. "jan. 6 bethel update 108 elderly bethelites getting the boot.. brooklyn, ny.

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  I don't know if it is true or not.

  If there was a closed meeting and then an announcement that 108 elderly Bethelites were released why would they do that? Surely they would tell those affected first otherwise ever older Bethelite would be anxious. How would they even define who was elderly and why would they single them out in a special announcement?

  If most of these elderly are of the anointed class then they would most likely be from the pre 1935 era when all baptized ones were considered anointed. That would make them over 90 years old. Unless, of course, the feeling you are anointed is one of the inflictions that befalls Bethelites. There would be plenty of Bethelites in the 65 to 90 year age range, why wouldn't they have been included in this announcement?

  If these elderly ones have been entitled to Social Security Disability, why wouldn't they have already been claiming it whilst at Bethel? If the Government is prepared to give you money that you are entitled to then why wouldn't you claim it? If they didn't want it personally because the org was providing them with enough then they could have given it to the org.
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  Warwick Photo Gallery 4 (May Through August 2015)

  by wifibandit in

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  2. beliefs

  full set: http://imgur.com/a/djhfe.

  sample:.

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  Listener

  It's not like Bethelites, including the GB don't get holiday leave. I think Ray Franz said they got substantially more.

  They could use that time to volunteer at the site, just like most other JWs do.
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  The new service meeting

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.

  it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.

  its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.

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  These are amazing ladies. Even though they are over 70 years of age all 11 manage to get together at your mums place and in the morning. Did they come in a bus?

  They are a very active group, it must be interesting spending time with them. I love how they've even got time to find you a mate.
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  "Apostates " how honest are we?

  by closed in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as i mentioned in another post i used to serve as an elder for 2 decades.

  i was involved in a number of jc.

  some i dealt with are good friends now.

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  Closed, you state that you are still in. How honest do you feel you are yourself? Do you feel like you are living a lie?

  The point here is that there can be many reasons why a person may appear dishonest but if we knew their reasoning we might not think so badly of them.
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  Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  recent developments make me think they might be.

  the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

  one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

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  Some of us can remember when they stopped people playing music in the congregations and replaced it with recordings. It didn't go down too well.

  Now they are stripping away even more from the individual congregations and introducing more recorded videos. It's becoming a little too mechanical and I doubt it's going to help.
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  Dis-association Vs Inactivity

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it just me or is this just really bad double talk?.

  9.372 moreover, the suggested finding has no connection with preventing or responding to child sexual abuse and, furthermore, appears not to appreciate the difference between disassociation and inactivity.

  as was explained, if someone decides to no longer associate with jehovahs witnesses that is a personal decision and no disciplinary action is taken against that person.

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  The Hermit, a similar situation happened in my own family. Even more ridiculous because I was never officially disfellowshipped. They needed two witnesses and my sister wouldn't testify. I was shunned but two of my siblings that had never been baptized lived a very interesting life without the same repercussions.

  The best thing is not to get baptized in the first place. Pushing to have children baptized is so wrong.

  Even if the baptized person stops 'sinning' it makes no difference unless they get re-instated by the Elders.

  Very little is left up to the individual conscience
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  Have you got a cow that you could sell ?

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you got a cow that you could sell for the gb they really really need the money

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  Listener

  It must be pretty bad when kids have to start selling their gifts and personal possessions. Maybe Lett sold his gold ring, he wasn't wearing it in the last video.
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  What would you like to see the Watchtower Society implement that would give you a dignified way to leave/stop being a Jehovah's Witness?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses do not provide a dignified resignation process for members who wish to resign/quit being a jehovah's witnesses.you are not given any good choices.

  you can either: disassociate yourself,fade,become inactive or move to another city/state/country where you won't be bothered or found out.. if you quit your job/employment, stop attending a book club or bowling league,or quit a lawn service company, newspaper delivery service,you wouldn't see your employer or friends sending out a written notice to anyone to stop all association with you or have little contact.you would sue them for slander.you have a right to quit any association or contract (when it expires or doesn't meet the terms any longer) whenever you wish.. what would you like to see the watchtower society implement that would give you a dignified way to leave/stop being a jehovah's witness?.

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  Listener

  I've just written a post that could possibly provide an alternative but I want to hear what you guys think and improve on. It was prompted from a letter I read on another forum and from re-reading the comments made publicly in the WTBTS's submission.

  It is here

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6281911886413824/dis-association-vs-inactivity