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  Finding time

  by Jordandemm in

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  is it possible to full time pioneer while working a full time job without making up the hours?

  i know of a brother who recently got married too a pioneer the guy was really desperate to get married because his wife despite her many 'spiritual credentials' has very few christ-like qualities unfortunately, anyway that's besides the point.

  he is a pioneer now and i'm sure he will be a ms soon the organisation likes that type of stuff the 'pioneer couple' so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

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  This is from the jw org online about pioneers

  The term “pioneer” often refers to those who explore new territories and open up a way for others to follow. Jesus was a pioneer of sorts, having been sent to the earth to perform a life-giving ministry and to open the way to salvation. (Matthew 20:28) Today, his followers are imitating him by spending as much time as possible ‘making disciples.’ (Matthew 28:19, 20) Some have been able to take up what we call the pioneer service.
  A pioneer is a full-time evangelizer. All of Jehovah’s Witnesses are publishers of the good news. However, some have organized their life to serve as regular pioneers, spending 70 hours each month in the preaching work. To do this, many limit their secular work to part-time

  Notice the last section which suggests that there are some that continue to work full time.

  At 70 hours a month, it equates to 16 hours a week. (66 hours a week - FT job and pioneering). I thought this would not be unusual for people in the US who have two jobs, a job with lots of overtime or a secular job requiring this.

  Just as a side point I found the statements by the org interesting and a bit more honest than usual, although still obscure to a degree. They basically admit that they are not using the word 'pioneer' in its normal meaning.

  
  
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  I need someone who lives in Melbourne to do me a huge favor

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  i am researching jw history, and i am doing research on ernest henninges.. he wrote a journal called the new covenant advocate and kingdom herald.

  i just want a scan of the first issue, if that would be possible?.

  please pm me!.

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  Have you tried contacting the Christian Bible Students Melbourne, they appear to be carrying on his work and advise that these articles have been scanned and can be obtained from contacting them directly

  http://www.cbsm.org.au/publications.htm
  
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  "You wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name, would you?"

  by Esse quam videri in

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  what would be your reply?.

  my reply: jehovah is big enough to take care of himself.. yours?.

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  I would ask the person exactly how this reproach was occurring. If justified, I would agree, if not I would explain why.
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  Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

  by tor1500 in

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  i've been thinking this for a while.

  even before the arc scandal.

  it seems no matter what, the org.

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  Listener

  Most sins are crimes.

  No they're not. You then proceeded to list a couple that, under most circumstances, are not a crime - adultery and lying.

  When government mandates the reporting of crimes or sins by the church to the police it means (if you can think just a little bit -but try) that government does not allow the church to exist because the church is all about sin and repentance (spiritual help) .

  The Church is not all about sin and repentance, it is about people grouping together to worship God.

  What on earth are you talking about when you state that the Government doesn't allow the Church to exist when it imposes mandatory reporting. Church's still operate in places where mandatory reporting currently exist.

  Could you please stop all your name calling and belittling of people?
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  Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

  by tor1500 in

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  i've been thinking this for a while.

  even before the arc scandal.

  it seems no matter what, the org.

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  Fisherman - WT must obey the law but they have always proclaimed that they must obey God as ruler rather than men. That is something that they have died for. And they mean business. Caesar will deal with the WT -not you buddy, no matter how much you hate them. That is what the judicial fact finding process is all about. The Courts there in Australia are dealing with the WT and it don't seem to me that they have any interest in injustice. RC means business too. Let them handle it chief. -And re-read my posts.
  This is not the first time that the WT has been under legal attack. Read about

  If it was just left up to the RC/Caesar to work all this out they would have been led up the garden path by the WTBTS. Who do you think told them that they had relevant internal documents missing, such as the Branch Instruction Manual or that GB member Geoffrey Jackson would be an important witness (and was in Australia) and much more information that they were not initially aware of? Your saying that it is none of their business, the RC doesn't see it that way.
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  Overlapping Generation

  by pandorasbox1914 in

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  the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

  his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

  no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

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  TheListener - The fact that my wife believes this and tries to teach it to others in her rare field service outings amazes me. I can't imagine how insane anyone but an indoctrinated person would think this teaching is.
  I would laugh if the whole damn thing wasn't so painful

  It's amazing to see and they are so proud that they have been able to grasp such a complex idea.

  The sheep have been more interested in trying to understand the concept that they overlook the most important thing and that is whether the concept is viable in the first place.
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  Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission

  by Coded Logic in

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  since the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.

  i see two possibilities:.

  ) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.

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  Smiddy - Whatever happens , it wont be anytime soon , and in the meantime , the abuse of children will continue to occur within the religion , and the Judicial system will be partly to blame for not acting promptly enough , allowing it to drag on for months or even years , by their own admission.
  Freddo - It's (final) findings are "fact" I believe as in when the ARC has "found that" something is the case it carries the same weight as a law court finding and its findings can then be used (as a sort of precedent) to be used to support lawsuits for victims of abuse.

  These are interesting points and although there hasn't been a final finding the Commission has prepared a (preliminary?) submission. This should be of great assistance to any lawyer who is preparing a case (and in negotiations). It will likely hold more strength in Australian Courts but it can be of great benefit to other countries by providing a valuable source of information. Having had a Governing Body member testify makes it even more relevant universally.

  Although this is a slow process, I would think there are already benefits that are flowing from the hearings.

  Sheperdless - The victim's lawyer could just submit the ARC report as evidence of Watchtower's flawed internal processes. 80% of the task is done for them, which of course dramatically reduces the costs and risks of running a case on behalf of a victim.

  You are spot on. There are lawyers like Zalkin who have done a lot of groundwork into how the organization functions but due to the nature of their business, would possibly not share it with other law firms. There are many law firms that are not as well equipped, focused or even have lawyers as qualified/experienced as this law firm does and would be unlikely to ever present a case with as good of a chance of winning. With all this groundwork available to them through the RC, the odds are way more in their favor.
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  Writing Department Interview on "The Generation."

  by cappytan in

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  a member of the writing department was gracious enough to allow me to interview him about the "overlapping generation" doctrine.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eo1o5qmagu.

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  Thanks for bumping, it is so funny.
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  Music Video: Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on JW Broadcasting? - PARODY

  by cappytan in

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  this took quite a while this evening.

  so worth it though.

  hope you enjoy!

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  The song fits so well, you've done a good job.
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  New Apostasy Trial on YouTube

  by Listener in

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  2. beliefs

  a guy by the name of son of thunder has just uploaded his apostasy trial.

  it is really impressive and this guy knows his stuff.

  he is very engaging and a pleasure to listen to.

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  It's a pleasure Arwen and Wannaexit, Son of Thunder did a tremendous job, he's going through some personal hardships but made the extra effort in the hope that others might benefit.

  The more these hearings are recorded and shared the more it exposes both TTATT and mindset of Elders.