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  JW TV April - more mind control rubbish

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi it has been a while since i posted.

  sorry this is a rant.. to be honest i have been on a journey - nearly faded but i won't elaborate until i can.. i just watched april's broadcast.

  since when do we have "hollywood" style movie previews?

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  4th Gen - I could have sworn I was looking at a Hallmark movie trailer. I have nothing against TV, but why are they spending all that cash on movie productions when they could be spending it assist the needy and infirmed? What about all those Bethelites that were booted out, without anything but a handshake? Even wordy companies give a stipend of some sort.... "Be warm and well fed" It's all about worshiping the cult. Where is the love??????

  
  They're hoping to get more awards, even if they have to pay for them. Not only that, they couldn't possibly think of putting Caleb and Sophie out of a job.
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  Would you be a GB member if you were asked ?

  by atomant in

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  2. beliefs

  off course you need to think back to when you were a jw to answer this question honestly and properly.but hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a gb member would you have taken on the position?and if you did what changes would you recommend ?.

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  I think there would be a number of Elders who would not accept, but these are the ones that don't believe they are anointed as per the WT definition.
  
  It takes a very delusional person to think that they have this 'special calling' above all other Christians and it is only them that could even be considered to be appointed a GB member.
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  Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?

  by atomant in

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  ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.

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  There is no bible backing for this idea and it is interesting to note how Splane tries to overcome this problem. In his 2015 JW Broadcasting monthly broadcast he says

  Now if you were asked by someone to identify a scripture that tells us what a generation is, what scripture would you turn to? I'll give you a moment to think about that. My choice is Exodus Chapter 1 verse 6 "Joseph eventually dies and also all his brothers and all that generation"

  
  Note that he takes it for granted that the listener accepts this new concept but then invites them to try and find a scripture themselves that backs it up. Basically what's happening here is that the concept must be accepted and a search in the scriptures is required to support it. This itself is a backwards way of thinking when you profess to use the bible as a basis of your teachings, letting the bible interpret itself. Rather what they have done is come up with the idea and manipulated what the bible is saying to fit that teaching.
  
  Then he tells us that 'his choice' is Exodus 1:6 and proceeds to try to make it fit to the idea. He's a GB member that supposedly collaborated with the other members to come up with this interpretation (or at the very least, supported the majority vote in accepting it) and yet when it comes to supporting it with scripture, he uses a text which is his own choice.
  
  The bottom line is, the r&f must accept the idea but they are allowed to come up with or twist any scripture of their choice to make it fit. Brilliant, especially when there is no such scripture.
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  New GB video: Why Reduce the Number of Special Full-Time Servants?

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  watchtower released at tv.jw.org a new gb video with samuel f. herd, with the theme:.

  why reduce the number of special full-time servants?.

  it seems there is a reason to release this special message.. http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodstudio/pub-jwbrd_201511_4_video.

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  Thanks for your post Tenacious and for transcribing the speech into text.
  
  

  It was obvious to the governing body that we could not expect our brothers to continually increase their donations. We needed to reduce expenses.

  
  It is obvious that they have and will continue to EXPECT the r&f to continually increase their donations, their obvious problem is that they won't.
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  Giant Leak of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array of Crime and Corruption

  by JHK in

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  2. scandals

  millions of documents show heads of state, criminals and celebrities using secret hideaways in tax havens... [...].

  what about watchtower society's holy money?.

  https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160403-panama-papers-global-overview.html?goal=0_ffd1d0160d-4ddea55429-100339089&mc_cid=4ddea55429&mc_eid=bfe834e473.

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  Jeff T - Even though they don't pay taxes they are still required to keep audited accounts. If they have doctored their books then there would be good reason to hide that money.
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  Memorial of the Death of Jesus 2016

  by wolfman85 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 2016, jw will have their memorial of jesus death on march 23, 2016. http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/#?insight[search_id]=99cee3cb-687e-4276-9c70-3af8d20c220b&insight[search_result_index]=0.

  that day is not for nissan 14th of the jewish calendar, or am i wrong ?

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  A lot of JWs don't know their own teachings Alex. I've asked a number of JWs why they don't believe Jesus is their mediator as stated in 1 Timothy 2:5 and they say they do.

  They will not participate in debates. They shy away from answering questions when we call them at the Branches even though they are Elders. They'll even spend 15 minutes or more explaining that they don't want to answer the question over the phone. They are not likely to reply to letters either.

  If they were seriously wanting to answer questions they would make provision for that on JW org, through emails rather than sending out someone to start a bible study.

  Generally speaking, if we are not considered right hearted ones then we aren't deserving answers.
  

  Then there are the questions they just won't answer or lie about. Maybe you could explain why they associated with the United Nations for a decade?
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  Who was vice president of WT between 1997 and 2000?

  by lenaga in

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  2. friends

  1977-1992 milton henschel, 1992-1997 lloyd barry, in 2000 malefant and wallen.

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  It looks like it might have been Lloyd Barry. This is the Wiki listing for Pennsylvania WTBTS -

  Current[edit]

  • Don Alden Adams, director since 2000, president since 2000

  • Danny L. Bland, director since 2000

  • William F. Malenfant, director since 2000, vice-president since 2000

  • Robert W. Wallen, director since 2000, vice-president since 2000

  • Philip D. Wilcox, director since 2000

  • John N. Wischuk, director since 2000

  Former[edit]
  Directors are listed generally from most to least recent. List may not be complete.

  • Richard E. Abrahamson (director 2000-2004, secretary-treasurer 2000-2004)

  • Milton George Henschel (director 1947–2000, vice-president 1977–1992, president 1992–2000)

  • Lyman Alexander Swingle (director 1945–2000)[119]

  • W. Lloyd Barry (director ?–1999, vice-president ?–1999)

  • Frederick William Franz (director 1945–1992, vice-president 1945–1977, president 1977–1992)[120]

  • Grant Suiter (director 1938–1983, secretary-treasurer)[121][122]

  • William K. Jackson (director 1973–1981)[123]

  • Nathan Homer Knorr (director 1940–1977, vice-president 1940–1942, president 1942–1977)[124]

  • John O. Groh (director 1965–1975)

  • Thomas J. Sullivan (director 1932–1973)[125][126]

  • Alexander Hugh Macmillan (director 1918–1938)

  • Hugo Henry Riemer (1923–1965)[127][128]

  • William Edwin Van Amburgh (director 1901–1947, secretary-treasurer 1903–1947)[129][130][131][132]

  • Hayden Cooper Covington (director 1940–1945, vice-president 1942–1945)[133]

  • Joseph Franklin Rutherford (director 1916–1942, acting president[134] 1916–1917, president 1917–1942)[135]

  • Charles A. Wise (director 1919–1940, vice-president 1919–1940)[136][137][138][139]

  • J. A. Baeuerlcin (director 1923 fl)[140]

  • R. H. Barber (director 1919)[141]

  • Charles H. Anderson (director 1918–?, vice-president 1918–1919)[135]

  • J. A. Bohnet (director 1917–?)[135]

  • George H. Fisher (director 1917–?)[135]

  • W. E. Spill (director 1917–?)[135]

  • Andrew N. Pierson (director 1916–1918, vice-president)[129]

  • Robert H. Hirsh (director 1917)

  • J. D. Wright (director fl1916–1917)[129]

  • Isaac F. Hoskins (director fl1916–1917)[129]

  • Alfred I. Ritchie (director 1916–1917, vice-president)[129][142]

  • Henry Clay Rockwell (director fl1916–1917)[129]

  • Charles Taze Russell (director 1884–1916, president 1884–1916)[143]

  • William M. Wright (?–1906)[144]

  • Henry Weber (director 1884–1904, vice-president 1884–1904)[145][146]

  • Maria Russell (née Ackley) (director 1884–1897, secretary-treasurer 1884–?, then-wife of Charles Taze Russell)[143][147][148]

  • J. B. Adamson (director 1884–?)[143]

  • Rose J. Ball (director 1884–?)[145]

  • Simon O. Blunden (director 1884–?)[145]

  • W. C. McMillan (director 1884–?)[143]

  • W. I. Mann (director 1884, vice-president 1884)[143]

  • J. F. Smith (director 1884)[143]

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    It's interesting to note that Willaim Malefant, who features in this months broadcast has been Director and Vice President since 2000
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  WT Resurrection Hope Absolutely Ridiculous As Illustrated In Their Publications

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  saw this while browsing through the good news brochure:.

  is it any wonder people aren't listening to jws anymore?

  what an absolutely delusional scene!

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  There's going to be an awful lot of manufacturing of razors and costumes in the New Order......oh, and golf sets.
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  If a proposed bill in Mexico passes, new law will mean jailtime for JW´s

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  apparently it's true!!

  omg!!.

  i did not want to believe these news, i still feel it's a hoax, it can't be true!.

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  Outlaw, that clip is awful.
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  before you put this week's wt away, look at page 3.--

  by prologos in

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  2. bible

  page 3 or any other side, foot notes and share them.

  bored today i looked at page 3 and 2 of the 4 elated willing offerings really looked peeved, simone and eston, even if you serve in a vacation destination, paradise, reality will set in, and it will show as in this telling picture.

  and:  page 22, it is downhill all the way.

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  Prologos, that is a good point about the Shepherd leading his sheep downhill in the picture.