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How to distract people from the REAL issues... (2016 convention videos)

by stuckinarut2 in

have we noticed how the videos that are being shown at the 2016 convention manipulatively try to misdirect from the real issues?.

the video showing the daughter "leaving the truth" and leaving (kicked out) home has been designed to show that her life falls apart because she "left the truth".. then the video series about the "persecution" paranoia speaks about a brother who is not being saved with them in the basement "because he let fear of man etc" affect him.

then the video all about sergei's life speaks about his old friend who "let information about the truth make him have doubts" and he is no longer "in the truth" with them...and made out like it is worse than murdering and eating a kitten!.

Listener

Under the radar - it is in the Ethan video. Ethan is the one who tragically looses his father and son, he also has brain cancer and an operation that prevents him from working for a while.

His brother, Bill, who is a non JW visits and appears well to do, after a warming cuddle he offers him some money. Ethan says no, that he has a little set aside and besides, Jehovah will provide.

He later accepts the help of a Brother to fix his roof at a highly reduced rate after a storm has damaged it and he is not well enough to fix it himself.

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Filipino man claims death threats from members of powerful Christian church - Iglesia Ni Cristo

by OrphanCrow in

lowell menorca says he fears persecution from the iglesia ni cristo.

they say his claims are 'fabrications''.

by eric rankin, gavin fisher, cbc news posted: jun 14, 2016 2:00 am pt last updated: jun 14, 2016 10:52 am pt.

Listener

He would have proof of the 40 cases of libel if his claim is true.

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How to distract people from the REAL issues... (2016 convention videos)

by stuckinarut2 in

have we noticed how the videos that are being shown at the 2016 convention manipulatively try to misdirect from the real issues?.

the video showing the daughter "leaving the truth" and leaving (kicked out) home has been designed to show that her life falls apart because she "left the truth".. then the video series about the "persecution" paranoia speaks about a brother who is not being saved with them in the basement "because he let fear of man etc" affect him.

then the video all about sergei's life speaks about his old friend who "let information about the truth make him have doubts" and he is no longer "in the truth" with them...and made out like it is worse than murdering and eating a kitten!.

Listener

- you cannot attend specialist classes for learning if you are talented, such as violin playing

- you cannot respond to a phone call from a disfellowshipped family member, regardless of whether it may be a call for help

- you've got to simplify your life more, even if you are already a pioneer. You need to sell your home, get rid of your pet and move to a unit

- even Elders must accept verbal instructions with humility from other younger Elders

- not accepting financial aid from non believing family member

- even when you feel ignored at the Hall (such as your being continuilly overlooked to answer up in meetings) you need to uncomplainingly accept menial jobs at the Hall

and the list goes on.

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Question about 1940s Watchtower history

by slimboyfat in

i was studying this fascinating composite graph of jw growth.

lots of interesting things there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/demographics_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses#/media/file%3ajwstats1931-2015.png.

Listener

Terry Waldron - Maybe he was editing the Watchtower from heaven like Russell did.

Exactly, they make this suggestion themselves and in so doing they have claimed that they do not know where these flashes of brilliant light come from.

From the Watchtower 2007 1/1

What, then, can we deduce from the fact that one of the 24 elders identifies the great crowd to John? It seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today. Why is that important? Because the correct identity of the great crowd was revealed to God’s anointed servants on earth in1935. If one of the 24 elders was used to convey that important truth, he would have had to be resurrected to heaven by 1935 at the latest. That would indicate that the first resurrection began sometime between 1914 and 1935. Can we be more precise?

The dilemma with this speculation is that they do not know who is providing them with information, particularly when there is no bible backing for it to be revealed. Even worse, that they are communicating with dead people.

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Bethel outing :)

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

by reliable sources, bethel us has recorded in 3 years:.

- 80 "out of the closet" confirmed.

- 200 departures requested by bethelites, where same reason is suspected.. - 20 censured ones "returning to the flock".

Listener

Is the reliable source Johnny the Bethelites?

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Governing Body Geoffrey Jackson in a Skirt! Is this for real??????

by mrmagic in

saw a video with geoffrey jackson giving a talk on stage in a skirt.

is this for reall??.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m0d4itktmk.

Listener

Possum, how common are these men skirts? Do all the Elders wear them on stage or out witnessing?

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Governing Body Geoffrey Jackson in a Skirt! Is this for real??????

by mrmagic in

saw a video with geoffrey jackson giving a talk on stage in a skirt.

is this for reall??.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m0d4itktmk.

Listener

Big brother, Morris is going to be mad.

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Who was the poster who predicted radical Watchtower change years ago?

by slimboyfat in

who was the poster, about 8 years ago, who came on the forum and claimed he had inside information that the gb were planning radical changes.

he said that in ten years time jws would be unrecognisable.

many were skeptical.

Listener

It looks like JW org bet us to it.

We keep noticing how what is said here and on other forums greatly influences them anyway, they just don't listen to all our incredibly good advice.

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Who was the poster who predicted radical Watchtower change years ago?

by slimboyfat in

who was the poster, about 8 years ago, who came on the forum and claimed he had inside information that the gb were planning radical changes.

he said that in ten years time jws would be unrecognisable.

many were skeptical.

Listener

True Problemaddict2, there hasn't been much in the way of radical change in regards to doctrine, although I would consider the change to the FDS doctrine to be huge. They have diminished the position of the anointed and elevated the position of the Governing Body to give themselves more power and authority. Also that there was no FDS until they came along, even Jesus' disciples were not FDS's upon Jesus departure.

The radical changes is in how they operate, how they manage what they own, how they spend their money and how they obtain more money. Considering that, it's all about the money.

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Who was the poster who predicted radical Watchtower change years ago?

by slimboyfat in

who was the poster, about 8 years ago, who came on the forum and claimed he had inside information that the gb were planning radical changes.

he said that in ten years time jws would be unrecognisable.

many were skeptical.

Listener

My post seems to have been cut short and here is the rest of it

So they aren't looking at doing it at all without any money or under their own steam (what they currently own), they are counting on donations which we have seen them continually beg for.

All this would explain why they told the JWs to accept anything they say whether practical from a human standpoint or not.

IMHO I think they were losing so much money that they had to overhall their whole activities and come up with something sustainable for the future providing a new vision that JWs would endorse and support. This at a time when their numbers are dwindling has been a real gamble, particularly in attempting to retain people. It's also amazing to see how they treat the most dedicated of JWs in order to see the Organization continue to exist.

A brief examination of what was said in the past to the reality that we see today is enlightening.