George One Time - I don't know if it's on the JW org website or not but I can't find it.
I think most of us are shocked at the in-sensitiveness of it and there has to be one or two JW bigwigs that would see it that way too, although it hasn't stopped them from taking down a lot of Tony Morris' rants.
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Mark Sanderson Talk re Belgium visit
by Listener inthe degradation of the governing body members continues on.
mark sanderson gives a talk regarding his visit to belgium for the memorial this year and was travelling from korea to munich to brussels, belgium on the day of the belgium terrorist attacks.he cannot wipe the smirk on his face as he relates his experience, with no regard whatsoever of all those unfortunately affected by the attacks.
in fact, he personally found god's hand affecting him personally, allowing him to attend the memorial as planned and a kh dedication.he is that privileged during his flight travels that internet was available to him, enabling him to catch up on current news and to contact branch's.
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Mark Sanderson Talk re Belgium visit
by Listener inthe degradation of the governing body members continues on.
mark sanderson gives a talk regarding his visit to belgium for the memorial this year and was travelling from korea to munich to brussels, belgium on the day of the belgium terrorist attacks.he cannot wipe the smirk on his face as he relates his experience, with no regard whatsoever of all those unfortunately affected by the attacks.
in fact, he personally found god's hand affecting him personally, allowing him to attend the memorial as planned and a kh dedication.he is that privileged during his flight travels that internet was available to him, enabling him to catch up on current news and to contact branch's.
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I can't find the original source. The OP linked to Youtuber RunFromTheTower and he/she has put their source as being from another Youtube Chanel, published by them on the 18th May, 2016 and identified as a 'Special Report' -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WUC1hP00fo
This appears to be a pro JW chanel.
I couldn't find it from doing a search on JW org and JW org TV
These are a couple of other links that identify the Video but links lead nowhere.http://www.ovguide.com/tv_episode/jworg-season-5-episode-81-special-report-belgium-memorial-after-terrorist-attacks-5617698
https://jworgnotifier.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/special-report-belgium-memorial-after-terrorist-attacks-226/
I am wondering if the Youtuber My JW downloaded the Video from JW org TV shortly after it was put there by the organization (teaching department) and shortly removed, possibly after being veiwed by other WTBTS Departments and realizing it was far from appropriate. If so, it means that their internal controls on approved video material to be made public are not up to scratch. For one thing, at least, it shows that what one Department might find as appropriate, is not the case for other Departments.
If this video has been removed from their official site then what is really damning is that a Governing Body member wrote and presented this himself and was found to be unsuitable by either other GB members or other Bethel members. Which speaks volumes for the fine spirituality and christian qualities of the GB. -
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Mark Sanderson Talk re Belgium visit
by Listener inthe degradation of the governing body members continues on.
mark sanderson gives a talk regarding his visit to belgium for the memorial this year and was travelling from korea to munich to brussels, belgium on the day of the belgium terrorist attacks.he cannot wipe the smirk on his face as he relates his experience, with no regard whatsoever of all those unfortunately affected by the attacks.
in fact, he personally found god's hand affecting him personally, allowing him to attend the memorial as planned and a kh dedication.he is that privileged during his flight travels that internet was available to him, enabling him to catch up on current news and to contact branch's.
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The degradation of the Governing Body members continues on. Mark Sanderson gives a talk regarding his visit to Belgium for the memorial this year and was travelling from Korea to Munich to Brussels, Belgium on the day of the Belgium terrorist attacks.
He cannot wipe the smirk on his face as he relates his experience, with no regard whatsoever of all those unfortunately affected by the attacks. In fact, he personally found God's hand affecting him personally, allowing him to attend the memorial as planned and a KH dedication.
He is that privileged during his flight travels that internet was available to him, enabling him to catch up on current news and to contact Branch's. He arranged for Brothers to drive him from Munich to Belgium in order for him to make it to the memorial in Belgium.
He explains that in situations like this there are usually curfews and restrictions placed on travelling and even public assembly. So they wondered if they would even be able to hold the memorial in Belgium. He then continues saying"But thanks to Jehovah, the officials put no restrictions whatsover so we were able to have the memorial as scheduled at the assembly hall with 1,055 being present, which was a tremendous gift from Jehovah. And just at the time when of course, the Brothers were kind of agitated because of what was taking place, it was such a privilege to be with them, to be able to provide some comfort. Then just a few days later, on Saturday, we were able to dedicate the brand new Kingdom Hall complex in Antwerp. This is a five auditorium Kingdom Hall complex, it's quite a site, there's a picture of it on our next study edition Watchtower. You can see the brothers working on that Kingdom Hall complex."
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2016-June-Updated-Application-For 17 year old and older!
by Atlantis insomebody might want his.. .. 2016, june, (updated)-- local design/construction volunteer application form.
.. this application is for exemplary baptized publishers 17 years of age and older.. https://we.tl/2mamrh6rat.
petra!.
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Petra, could you explain who that is in the photo?
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I have a plan....
by DATA-DOG inwith all of the bat-shit crazy propaganda of late, i'm considering talking to my wife about the cult.
we have had zero religious discussions for two years.
the last discussion ended with ,"you have no beliefs, no personal beliefs, because you change your "beliefs" when the wtbts writes an article.
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That was a great and important message to send to your daughter DD, even if it hadn't been after she saw the shunning video.
I wonder if she will stop and think as to whether her mother would also give her this unconditional love. I think most of us who grew up with a JW parent knew that this wasn't so. -
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Greeting.. back after a few weeks on vacation
by StarTrekAngel inbeen out on vacation for the last 3 weeks.
went back home to south america.
i did not login from there, for once because i needed a break from everything and two, because i did not have time.
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It's wonderful that you had a lovely vacation together and took the opportunity to reflect on things.
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G Losch Talk - Do Not Hold a Grudge
by Listener ina new video on jw org tv titled do not hold a grudge is presented by gb's oldest member gerrit losch.this is just another representation of the standard of talks prepared and given by the highest level of authority and position within the jw organization.
they desperately need help, not even their complete rebranding can save them from themselves.some of this gb member's gems about holding a grudge include -.
- what can lead to a grudge?
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Agreed Millie, it's all about protecting the wrongs occurring in the organization than anything else.
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"holding the anointed elders in his right hand"
by oppostate in(ks10 p11:1) revelation 1:20 depicts jesus as holding the anointed elders in his right hand, thus, by extension, indicating that he controls all bodies of elders for the purpose of accomplishing jehovah’s will.
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in the shepherding book it says "holding the anointed elders in his right hand".
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With their logic they could just as easily say that the faithful and discreet slave is made up of anointed men and by extension, this also includes those of the other sheep.
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G Losch Talk - Do Not Hold a Grudge
by Listener ina new video on jw org tv titled do not hold a grudge is presented by gb's oldest member gerrit losch.this is just another representation of the standard of talks prepared and given by the highest level of authority and position within the jw organization.
they desperately need help, not even their complete rebranding can save them from themselves.some of this gb member's gems about holding a grudge include -.
- what can lead to a grudge?
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A new video on JW org TV titled Do Not Hold a Grudge is presented by GB's oldest member Gerrit Losch.
This is just another representation of the standard of talks prepared and given by the highest level of authority and position within the JW Organization. They desperately need help, not even their complete rebranding can save them from themselves.
Some of this GB member's gems about holding a grudge include -- What can lead to a grudge? Not receiving certain privileges that one had counted on, seemingly or actually having been reproved unjustly or too severly, criticism and specially repeated criticism.
As mentioned numerous times on this forum, if you've been unjustly hurt, you are being told that you have to deal with it, it is your attitude that needs changing.- Bible stories show that holding a grudge can lead to murder or wanting to murder. He mentions numerous examples from the Bible
This is a pretty extreme consequence of holding a grudge and rarely applies.
- If you can stop holding a grudge talk to the person who has upset you or talk to a trusted friend. Don't talk to anyone else as it can cause divisions within the congregation or the family.
Does this mean you can talk to the Elder/s that unjustly treated you? They will only tell you to suck it up and be more humble, nothing is solved in doing this and can actually make things worse.- applying the so called 'silent treatment', it's a definite obstacle to communication and sometimes the victim uses this as some kind of punishment but it doesn't always mean that and the Watchtower 2006 Sept 15 pg 23 paragraph 16 explains this.
He's not wrong with these comments, it's clear that the organization sees shunning as a form of punishment.
- if someone accidentally stabs you with a literal sword it still hurts, "therefore, dispense with talking intense, intense expressions really cause offence, this really makes sense, doesn't it?"
The audience laughs at this due to all the rhyming - intense, offence, sense.
"Intense talk is like a storm, gentle talk, like a gentle breeze. Intense talk is like a rock concert, gentle talk, like pleasant music. Intense talk is like an avalanche or a blizzard, gentle talk is like beautiful, quiet snowfall. Intense talk is like pouring a bucket of water on a newly planted flower, gentle talk is like gentle rain so lets all be gentle men and gentle women"
Losch doesn't even attempt to explain what intense talk is. The dictionary defines 'intense' as
"having or showing strong feelings or opinions; extremely earnest or serious."
In itself, there is nothing wrong with intense talk, there are times when it is the most effective way to express something that is important. But even the examples that he gives are just nonsense and don't make any sense in trying to explain why intense talk is not appropriate- "blurting leads to hurting"
More rhyming, such wonderful gems.
- "switch on the mind before you start operating the mouth"
It might of helped if Losch applied this in preparation of his talk.
"Here's a scary quote from the Insight Book 'an individual is condemned by God if he bears a grudge for real or fancied wrongs done to himself or someone else' It's that serious, it means to be grieving the holy spirit"
It's scary indeed to think that a person can be unjustly disciplined or dealt with by the Elders when there is very little in place to rectify matters appropriately and then told that they are now condemned by God.
- "resist the urge to be sarcastic and keep your volume down but as the watchtower said 'even whispered words can be argumentative if they are irritating or demeaning"
I don't think he has listened to any of Rutherford's thundering speeches.
- "don't let grudge pull you into a sludge...grudge..is like rust that slowly corrodes the body of a car, the car outside may appear beautiful, but under the paint there is a problem"
Seriously, a grudge will pull you into a sludge, the rhyming is very, very bad and even worse, he wouldn't do it if he didn't think that it was wonderful.
The analogy doesn't make sense. I understand that a grudge could be likened to rust that slowly corodes but why is he likening it to the body of a car that looks beautiful on the outside? What is the car supposed to represent?- "love keeps out resentment and grudge, as a good roof, keeps out rain and love never fails"
Losch stuffed up with this comment, he was relying too much on his notes and would have meant that love was like a good roof keeping out rain.
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Should I just tell my parents
by BlackWolf inlately i've been feeling just so fed up with this stupid religion i really can't take it anymore!
i'm starting to think that maybe i should just tell my parents how i really feel.
if they treat me too badly or kick me out i could probably stay with my non jw aunt.. ive just reached my breaking point, i don't really care what people think of me anymore.
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They must be very strange people Blackwolf. They have given you no incentive to remain a good JW until you are 18. Also, for them to know you can put on an act makes their own religious beliefs a farce.
At least you know where you stand and have some time to make plans.