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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness Deborah Frances-White on door knocking with Michael Jackson and ditching the 'cult'

  by jwleaks in

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  deborah frances-white.

  always a laugh and a blast from my past life on the gold coast.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/ex-jehovahs-witness-deborah-frances-white-on-door-knocking-with/.

  deborah frances-white is a comedian and writer.

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  She was on a JW podcast and she said how she wanted to be more active in exposing the religion. She's kept to her word.
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  Midweek meeting video

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

  australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

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  Life is to Short, sorry to hear that. I think your counselor will be shocked. Hopefully this thread has been helpful. If you can focus on their motive in presenting their unhelpful advice it might be easier to deflect it.
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  Are quality restaurants even slightly aware of the concept..

  by The Rebel in

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  of providing high quality food?.

  personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.

  often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.

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  Researching restaurants on places like Tripadvisor can be helpful.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  I agree Slimboyfat. That is why I am trying to put to bed the claims that are being made. The sooner Mike and Kim take down that video the better.
  
  It's like saying that the millions of dollars worth of Assets that the Watchtower held in the USA during WWII is proof that they were supporting the USA war efforts.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  Listener

  I was able to look at the source document that Kim and Mike are presenting in their video and it in no way supports the idea that the WTBTS support the Nazi war machine.
  
  Kim and Mike's claims in this instance are not supported by any proof.
  
  The page that they are using to support this claim comes from a report titled Research Findings About Ford-Werke under the Nazi Regime. The form can be found at page 122 and is headed Appendix A . Appendix A is list of Investment of U.S. Companies in Germany, 1943 .
  
  https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ford.pdf
  
  This is what the report has to say about Appendix A
  
  

  At the start of World War II, 250 American firms owned more than $450 million in assets in Germany. Ten of those firms owned 58.5 percent of the total. Ranked 16th by investment holdings, Ford held 1.9 percent of the total American investment. A chart showing the top 59 firms is attached as Appendix A, Investment of U.S. Companies in Germany, 1943.

  
  Therefore the form that Kim and Mike are using as some sort of proof about investing or financially supporting the War does no such thing. The form shows how much the WTBTS had in Assets in Germany during the war, and that's it. The amount was $596,576. That amount would have been the value of all their buildings in Germany, their printing machinery and all other assets, including money held in bank accounts.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  It is odd that the Wtbts had $600,000 in Germany at that time, in today's money that would be over $10 million US. Maybe they had it sitting in a bank account.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  The document states what they invested in. It was the Wtbts in Germany. The Wtbts in Germany would have needed funds from the Wtbts HQ at that time.

  All the American Companies on that list were investing in their own subsidiary Company that they set up in Germany.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  Crazy guy, I wouldn't get too excited about this until more information can be provided. Unfortunately Kim and Mike can sometimes be in too much of a hurry to make a video that they don't always check how factual the information is or they get themselves too snowed under in their own research that they forget to get their facts straight.

  From what I can gather, there was a 3 and a half year study done on Ford's involvement during WW2 in Germany, the Corporation being called Ford-Werke. A report was written in 2001 about the findings and supported by documents.

  I believe that what is being shown is the second page of Appendix A. Neither the first page of Appendix A was presented, or a copy from the report directing readers to Appendix A and it's purpose.

  Mike and Kim should also be very careful about their sources. It is possible that a JW might play this sort of trick to make liars out of them.

  The document that lists the Watchtower, IMHO is not showing their investment/shareholding in Ford-Werkes but rather, their investment in Germany during the 2nd WW. Note what the document says at the bottom left hand side and the fact that it lists the American Company and who it invested in within Germany.

  https://i.redd.it/2cjirnwe90cx.png
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  they have started moving

  by pepperheart in

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  did you see the september broadcast of jw broadcasting where david splane told you that thet have started moving people to the new world headquaters around new york.they will not be having tours though until april next year .

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  I expect they'll have a lot to say about it at the upcoming annual board meeting.
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  Midweek meeting video

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

  australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

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  The video is not at all helpful for someone currently being abused and watching it. It has the potential of being very harmful by making the victim feel they must keep the problem to themselves and just deal with it.

  Those men at HQ should be ashamed of themselves.