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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Okay Fisherman. As it is about da or df, would you be hurt but dignified if your parents or your children shunned you?
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Fisherman, if your parents rejected you, maybe because your gay, would you also feel hurt but dignified because they recognise you once belonged to them?
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  RO "would indicate that Paul said not to even eat with a man that was once called your brother. "

  What Bible did you read that in?
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  My Old Kingdom Hall being merged with TWO other congregations!

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this can only be a good sign.. my old congregation in liverpool has had a lot of money in it's bank account for years.

  for a long, long time (almost 8 years) they've been looking for land to build a new hall.

  the one they're in now is literally falling to bits.

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  I wonder how the older ones feel when they see Left thanking them for the wonderful new no e the GB have been given.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Thanks JW leaks. That's a lot of reading.
  
  I am wondering how much the Australian Safeguarding Policy differs from the UK Policy given that it took months to prepare.
  
  I've just started reading the statement presented by O'Brien and Spinks. In Para 15 they make the claim that they do not provide pastoral care. They are kidding aren't they? No wonder they wanted an interpretation of pastoral care during the hearing. They are so quick to distance themselves from any obligation they lose all sense of understanding. Once a youngster is baptized they come under the pastoral care of the Elders.
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  More propaganda aimed at children! Visit Bethel!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arrrghhh...... so much that can be said..... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201604_1_video.

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  It creates brand loyalty in the young, which is also the reason why Caleb and Sophia were created.
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  My new answer to an annoying question we have all been asked.

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well new to me anyway, i'm sure someone smarter than me has thought of this before.

  the next time i get asked the perennial (and tired old) question: “but you do believe that the gb are god’s channel of communication, the organisation he is using, don’t you?” or some variation thereof, i am going to reply with two verses and reason as follows:.

  the matter to be established: have the gb of jehovah’s witnesses received divine appointment to act as god’s representatives and channel of communication on earth?.

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  They attempt to support their claim of being the FDS in the Feb 2017 Watchtower.
  
  

  WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”
  12. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?
  12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) What evidence is there that the Governing Body is filling that role? Let us consider the same three factors that directed the governing body in the first century.
  13. How has holy spirit helped the Governing Body?
  13 Evidence of holy spirit. The holy spirit has helped the Governing Body to grasp Scriptural truths not previously understood. For example, reflect on the list of beliefs clarified that was referred to in the preceding paragraph. Surely, no human deserves credit for discovering and explaining these “deep things of God”! (Read 1 Corinthians 2:10.) The Governing Body echoes the apostle Paul, who wrote: “These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit.” (1 Cor. 2:13) After centuries of apostasy and spiritual darkness, can anything other than holy spirit explain the rapid increase in spiritual understanding since 1919?
  14. According to Revelation 14:6, 7, how do angels assist God’s people today?
  14 Evidence of angelic assistance. The Governing Body today has the colossal task of overseeing an international preaching work involving over eight million evangelizers. Why has that work been so successful? For one, angels are involved. (Read Revelation 14:6, 7.) In many cases, publishers have called on individuals who had just been praying for help! * The overall growth of the preaching and disciple-making work despite fierce opposition in some lands has likewise been possible only with superhuman assistance.
  15. What contrast exists between the Governing Body and Christendom’s leaders? Give an example.
  15 Reliance on God’s Word. (Read John 17:17.) Consider what occurred in 1973. The June 1 issue of The Watchtower asked the question: “Do . . . persons who have not broken their addiction to tobacco qualify for baptism?” The answer was: “The Scriptural evidence points to the conclusion that they do not.” After citing several relevant scriptures, The Watchtower explained why an unrepentant smoker should be disfellowshipped. (1 Cor. 5:7; 2 Cor. 7:1) It said: “This represents no effort to act in an arbitrary, dictatorial manner. The strictness really proceeds from God, who expresses himself through his written Word.” Has any other religious organization been willing to rely fully on God’s Word, even when doing so presents a real challenge to some of its members? A recent book on religion in the United States notes: “Christian leaders have regularly revised their teachings to match the beliefs and opinions gaining support among their members and in the larger society.” If those of the Governing Body allow God’s Word rather than popular opinion to guide their decisions, who is really leading God’s people today?
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  The Guardian: In Russia, the persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses begins all over again

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2017/mar/09/in-russia-the-persecution-of-jehovahs-witnesses-begins-all-over-again.

  in russia, the persecution of jehovah’s witnesses begins all over again.

  giles fraser.

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  How easy is it to get out of Russia these days? Especially with the backing of the Watchtower with their millions of dollars. The Watchtower is fully aware of the problems that exist in Russia, they are also geared up to provide emergency aid. Maybe they can do a lot more.
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  ARC Case Study 54 - List all media reports here for future reference

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.smh.com.au/national/inside-the-jehovahs-witnesses-a-perfect-storm-for-abuse-20170309-guukur.html .

  http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2017/03/10/jehovah-s-witnesses-to-face-abuse-inquiry.html .

  http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/03/10/03/31/uniting-church-witnesses-focus-of-inquiry .

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  Thanks JW Facts. They are certainly making a mess of it all and putting the victim first is not on their agenda.
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  Don’t share food with apostate—what about air we all breathe in?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we have heard: “don’t share food with apostate.” what about sharing the air we all breathe in?

  whether apostate or believer, both breathe in the same air (which is more important than food)!.

  today i put this question to the couple who came to invite me for the memorial.

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  Good point Venus.
  
  They shun df'd and da'd JWs and they say it is to keep the congregation clean. Yet they are allowed to share religious activities with JWs, such as in song, prayer and spiritual food. You are right in that they also allow ex JWs to share in their most sacred and holy night, the memorial.
  
  It becomes obvious that df'ing is all about control.