I heard this on the Youtube Channel - Bad JW round table discussions and I normally don't give much thought to rumours, I did find this one interesting.
One of the guys on the Channel said that there are plans that 'the other sheep' will be told not to attend any future memorials.
He was asked how credible was this and he said that it is talk going around by those in the know, just like there had been those that knew about the fairly recent new edition of the Bible being in production.
Even if this is probably just a rumour, the idea has a lot of merit. The benefits for the organization outweigh the negatives and would fit in with their current direction.
Here are some of the benefits, for the org. that could come from it
- the biggest benefit would come from not having to accommodate so many attendants, which are more than double a normal meeting. Since they are reducing the number of KH's and amalgamating congregations it takes of a great deal of pressure and allows them to close more Halls than would be possible.
- they can spin it to create a real (albeit perceived) sense of urgency. They say that the memorial will end on Jesus' return. They could cut the requirement for the 'other sheep' to attend by saying that there is no longer a need for them to attend in support of the anointed because the end is so close anyway and it won't be much longer before it stops altogether.
- it would solve the problem of the increased numbers of those partaking. It would be a reason not to count the numbers and those not attending would be none the wiser as to any increases or decreases. It may discourage any new partakers who would only be observed by a small number of other partakers anyway.
- in places like Russia, where meeting together is banned it would take off a lot of pressure in arranging meetings to what was once the most important event of the year
- no more printing of millions of invitations
- I would think that the number of JWs who are questioning their non participation in the memorial is increasing given that us apostates discuss it with JWs, more so around the memorial season, either when they come to our doors or online. Likening it to the Black Mass by passing around the emblems and physically rejecting them must do some damage
- it might explain why they printed speculation that the memorial a couple of years ago could be their last
On the negative side
- they could no longer claim that there are 20 million 'interested persons'
- it will shock some (maybe many) JWs who always thought it was a biblical requirement rather than an invitation from the anointed/GB but given they must accept orders whether they seem impractical from a human viewpoint, it shouldn't be too difficult for them to deal with this
What do you guys think? Even though it seems incredible, when you consider the benefits, they might just do something like this.
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RUMOUR - Regarding future memorials
by Listener ini heard this on the youtube channel - bad jw round table discussions and i normally don't give much thought to rumours, i did find this one interesting.one of the guys on the channel said that there are plans that 'the other sheep' will be told not to attend any future memorials.he was asked how credible was this and he said that it is talk going around by those in the know, just like there had been those that knew about the fairly recent new edition of the bible being in production.even if this is probably just a rumour, the idea has a lot of merit.
the benefits for the organization outweigh the negatives and would fit in with their current direction.here are some of the benefits, for the org.
that could come from it- the biggest benefit would come from not having to accommodate so many attendants, which are more than double a normal meeting.
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1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning
by JW_Rogue ini've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.
in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.
the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.
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Two years from now we may see the biggest ever 100th Birthday celebration.
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1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning
by JW_Rogue ini've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.
in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.
the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.
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It is a great question to ask JWs. "Show me where in the Bible can 1919 be established"
From the JW library the significance of 1919 includes the following but has been subject to various 'new light'. Keying the words "1919 calculation" into the search section provides this information -1919, 1,260 days begin (Re 12:6, 14): re 183-184
1,290 days begin (Da 12:11): dp 300; w93 11/1 10-11
144,000 begin “singing as if a new song” (Re 14:3): re 200
antitypical Festival of Booths resumes: w96 7/1 24
Babylon the Great falls (Re 14:8; 18:2): re 205-206, 209, 259-261; w89 5/1 3-5; w88 12/15 20-21
birth of new nation (Isa 66:8): re 183-184; ip-2 397-400; w94 1/15 14
‘disgusting thing placed’ (Da 12:11): dp 300; w93 11/1 10-11
“faithful and discreet slave” ‘appointed over master’s belongings’ (Mt 24:47): w04 3/1 12; wt 131
faithful slaves ‘appointed over many things’ (Mt 25:21, 23): w04 3/1 17
‘fire hurled to earth’ (Re 8:5): w09 1/15 32; re 131-132
‘four angels untied’ (Re 9:15): re 149-151; w88 12/15 13
“harvest of the earth” begins (Re 14:14-16): re 211-212
Jehovah’s chariotlike heavenly organization gets in touch with Ezekiel class (Eze 1): w91 3/15 11
Jehovah’s spirit begins to be poured out on remnant (Joe 2:28, 29): w98 5/1 14-15
“key of the house of David” placed on shoulder of remnant (Isa 22:22): w09 1/15 31
locusts swarm from abyss (Re 9): re 143-148; w89 4/1 17-18; w88 12/15 12-13
“opened door” set before remnant (Re 3:8): re 60-65
remnant “come quivering to Jehovah” (Hos 3:5): w91 8/15 17
remnant eat “little scroll” (Re 10:8-11): re 159-160
remnant figuratively resurrected: dp 290-291; w88 10/15 13; w87 7/1 21-23
remnant freed from Babylon the Great: ip-2 74; ip-1 400-401; w89 5/1 4-5
remnant ‘hold possession of land’ (Isa 60:21): w02 7/1 18; ip-2 319-320
remnant refined (Isa 1:24-27): ip-1 32-34
remnant restored to spiritual paradise: ip-1 380; w91 5/15 16
remnant step before “waters” of mankind (Jos 3:15-17): w86 12/15 13
two witnesses resurrected (Re 11:11, 12): re 169-170
virgins hear cry, “Here is the bridegroom!” (Mt 25:6): w04 3/1 14
“Way of Holiness” opened (Isa 35:8): ip-1 380-381; ws 132-134
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World Religion News: New Jehovah’s Witness Headquarters Hosts First Open Houses
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/new-jehovahs-witness-headquarters-hosts-first-open-houses.
new jehovah’s witness headquarters hosts first open houses.
28 apr 2017 posted by nathan glover .
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The story is very similar to the news story on the official jw website and includes the same cover photo.
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Russian Tract campaign: "Could It Happen Again? A Question for the Citizens of Russia"
by TJ - iAmCleared2Land inhttp://www.jw-media.org/rus/20100226.htm.
for immediate release.
february 25, 2010. jehovahs witnesses address their fellow citizensrussiaon february 26-28, 2010, throughout russia, from the chukchi peninsula in the east to kaliningrad in the west, a special campaign is taking place.
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TJs letter - "JW again could trick the authorities, prepared everything it secret", enemies (especially Dvorkin) said, "JW had a PR action, promoted themselves." So they noticed. And this is a point. Difficult to predict what happens next, but if Jehovah decided to make our voice stronger - this is a really successful campaign."
I can't help but think that the Watchtower is mad for publicity and persecution of its followers. Doing things in secret and inciting a mass campaign putting the Government in a bad light only causes trouble. This was not about the good news or evangelising.
This JW, probably like many of them, had no idea what the outcome would be but did he even think of the serious problems they could cause for themselves and their families? No because they will blindly follow the instructions from the GB.
This is just more real evidence of why we need to get our families out. The Russian Brothers are already drinking their koolaide, I feel sick for them and their future.
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Last song at Regional Convention of 2016 was stolen from Audiomachine
by LevelThePlayingField inas far as i know, i did a search, and you may not know this but, the last song play during a music video of the regional convention, was not of watchtower.
it's stolen from a group called audiomachine off their album epica.
the song is called eternal flame and it is exactly and i mean, note for note the same as the music video.
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There is a female JW who discusses this with 2 Elders (who think they are big wigs, they both claim to have known Ray Franz and what went on, even discrediting him for being willing to 'take into his fold'?? a disfellowshipped drunkard who had previously done many good things for the org).
You won't believe the discussion but they are not interested as to whether it was stolen or not. They suggest that the song may have been written by a JW and stolen by Epica. This lady gets in to trouble for having the Album or copy of the Album cover in her home because it is Satanic. The hypocrites but even worse, they tell her to stay with the organization even if it doesn't have God's Holy Spirit backing it, purely because it's still God's organization.
The recording was just posted today
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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final
by OrphanCrow ini just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
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The testimony of ex JWs did not help their cause. The following was reported
Also in the course of the trial the court heard testimony of several former members of the organization, who declared that "total control" was established over devotees.
A witness from St. Petersburg, Natalia Koretskaia, who was a member of the organization from 1995 to 209, described how its members "live in complete total control of devotees by the Administrative Center."
Jehovah's Witnesses formally follow a canonical observance of rules, but in reality the issue is the total control of the personal life of a person, his intimate life, education, and job," the witness said.
Another former member of the organization, Pavel Zverev, declared that because of the leadership of the Jehovah's Witnesses he was left without higher education.
"In the organization it is considered that getting higher education is not useful for the interests of the organization. As a result of this conviction, I remained without education and I have suffered from this in my career," Zverev said.http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170420d.html
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Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions
by jambon1 inwhat is it with this pair?
why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?
a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.
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Thanks Wannaexit.
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Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions
by jambon1 inwhat is it with this pair?
why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?
a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.
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Does anyone know where Cedars apology is for the recent chart he made?
As for his past, he basically declared war between himself as an atheist and ex JW Christians activists. This blog of his shows just how nasty he can get.
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/the-trouble-with-apostates-and-why-it-shouldnt-put-you-off-being-one
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Doco..Isaiah 60 22 Work in Australia
by jaydee incould be of interest to any australian 'budding historians', or propagandists .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcaajtu0488.
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Thanks JD, it is an interesting video, put together in 2005 and goes through the early history of JWs in Australia.