The revised NWT has a timeline of some significant dates, such as the year Jesus was baptized and the year he died. The only mention of 1914 was a general 'about 1914' Satan was hurled from heaven'.
It's not impossible for the Watchtower to remove the significance of 1914, or at least part of its significance. They managed to do it, more or less, successfully in relation to 1874. 1874 was originally based on it being 6,000 years since the creation of Adam. In 1943 they decided that the calculation to get to 1874 was wrong and out by 100 years, then later on (or possibly before?), out by another 1 year. In the late 1960s attention was drawn to the year 1975 as being 6,000 years since the creation of Adam.
Recycle and republish, without too much effort into reapplying prophecies and 1914 becomes 1975 and the whole cycle starts over again.
The original countdown on 'this generation' starts all over again with us being deep into the generation who saw 1975.
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Is the GB setting up to dump 1914?
by karter inwith the "generation change" and them changing it all the time it would make sence to dump it all togeather.. lets face it ,it can be disproved easly.. they dumped 1975 in a heart beat .. this would buy them all the time they wanted as they would just find another date to start the generation from ie: "the u.n year of peace and sercurty'',1986 i belive or whatever else they could think of.. they could sell it to the r&f as easly as they sold 1975,then dumped it when it did'nt happen .. anyone questioning them would be told they are running ahead of jehovah or lacking faith in his earthly org that feeds us food at the proper time .. what do you think?.
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Sanderson's hate speech
by Listener ingb member sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent russian ban.
it was given as a morning worship rant.
sanderson sports his usual smirk.. he opens up quoting matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution.
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GB member Sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent Russian ban. It was given as a morning worship rant. Sanderson sports his usual smirk.
He opens up quoting Matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution. Verse 23 gives a very clear instruction that when you are persecuted in one city you are to flee to another but Sanderson fails to explain how they are helping Russian Brothers to flee.
Happy Sandy then proceeds to discuss how Satan shows murderous hate for all faithful servants and there is a literal war going on with Satan and his wicked spiritual forces.
He then explains how we recently saw the Devil's attack on Jehovah's people in Russia.
He claims that ALL of the accusations were COMPLETELY ridiculous and that they know they are doing the right things when they are hated by the Agents of the Devil.
He claims that Russian Brothers have reports of inactive ones, former Bible studies and relatives contacting JWs because of what they see in Russia - they know the end is close at hand.
How can Happy Sandy even be proud that people are returning because they see this as the end being close? We were once taught that God could see through the falseness of our actions if we decided to leave and only rejoin as we saw Armageddon being imminent.
Also Sandy is encouraging the idea that the Russian ban is a sign of the closeness of Armageddon and from reading reports on here (e.g. Phoebe), we can see it's working.
Sanderson also quotes a news report (lol) where a spokesman for the Russian Orthodox church claims JWs cannot be called Christians because they do not believe Jesus is God and Savour or in the trinity doctrine and he welcomed the Supreme Court decision because the pernivious and harmful influence of the JWs would now start to decline. Happy Sandy said that the 'hatred of the Devil'' was in those comments.
This is scarey stuff folks. No wonder JWs are abuzz with excitement being stirred up by the likes of buck toothed Sanderson. He declares it as war and the actions of Satan. He is making a trumpet sounding message of judgement against both the Russian Government and the Russian Orthodox church. This is exactly part of the reason that the Russian Government has called them extremists.
This organisation was never about sticking to preaching the message of the gospel and they aren't being persecuted for the sake of Jesus. Sanderson is stirring up even more trouble and it becomes obvious that they didn't get JWs worldwide to write protest letters in the hope that it would stop the banning. Rather, it was to whip up this persecution complex, making it real on a personal level.
Those poor Brothers in Russia. Sanderson is doing what Rutherford did for the JWs in Germany by writing to Hitler after he confiscated their Assets.
https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-jwb_201705_16_VIDEO
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Seeking Former Elder
by Tricia Franginha inhey everyone im desperately trying to locate a former elder from ontario, canada who is willing to talk to a journalist about the sex abuse issue in the org.
this would be a major article in a major canadian magazine but without locating an elder to speak to she cannot do the story.
please help ad we need this exposure in canada.
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What is the name of the reporter and which newspaper would it be published in? It may be a bit difficult for ex JWs to personally identify themselves to a one time poster.
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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
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Meeting from Beroean Pickets has written an article on this. One of the points made is the following
The narrator of the video would have us believe the Organization was playing a different tune at that time. He adds: “But something just didn’t seem right. Both in meetings and in my personal study I was reminded of what Jesus said. Nobody knows the day or the hour”. [boldface added]
Sometimes you read or hear something like this and you just want to burst out with: “SAY WHAT?!”
The principle source for feeding the 1975 euphoria were the meetings, circuit assemblies, and district conventions. Additionally, magazine articles, particularly in the Awake! magazine, continued to feed this frenzy of anticipation. All of this is a matter of public record and cannot be successfully denied. Yet, here they are attempting to do just that, slipping it into a video almost as if they hope no one notices the poison pill. -
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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
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"some were looking with a certain date in view"
What was this date? It was not a date in as much as it was only a year. With this current generation teaching there is no date, as such, but there is still a time setting, which at a maximum, being before approx. 2070 although listening to the Gb talks, they would have you believe it is before 2040. Nothing has changed other than as time passes their 'date' becomes more general.
"I was dedicated to Jehovah, not a date"
This statement is a lot of nonsense, it means nothing. Who was ever dedicated to a date? There were only two scenarios either a JW was
- dedicated to Jehovah, without a date in mind or
- dedicated to Jehovah, with a date in mind
The fact is that by having a date in mind, without question, the individual became dedicated to the teachings of an organisation, not Jehovah's/Bible teachings.
"after that year came and went, most of those who had the wrong expectations made the needed adjustments and they stayed. We didn't run away and we didn't give up, we trusted in Jehovah"
What exactly were these 'needed adjustments'? It was to accept that the organisation were fallible and to accept their teachings regardless. It meant to accept them even against biblical warnings.
It's strange how the JW first explains that his deep study showed him that as no one knows the day or hour he personally didn't accept the org's teaching but then talks about 'we' not giving up or running away. It begs the question as to who he would be running away from. Since he already knew the truth of the matter then he could only have been running away from the organisation, not Jehovah.
It is an organisation that gives itself the right to get anything wrong and expects God to make matters right.
A good question to ask a JW who knows many of the crazy teachings of Russell or Rutherford would be whether they would think any less of a studious Bible student of that time, if they rejected those teachings.
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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
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They may not have mentioned a date but didn't someone point out that the year's text showing at the Kingdom Hall was the one they had for 1975?
It's so sad that they compare the 1975 fiasco as being as difficult a test as dealing with a loved one dying.
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JW.org Childrens Page: Expanding My Circle Of Friends
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/worksheets/expanding-circle-of-friends/.
some things of note here, it looks to me that they're encouraging young ones to befriend older people and "people not like them".
could this be because many of the young ones are now leaving?.
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Justice McLellan from the ARC recently addressed a significant problem that religious organizations face in this aspect -
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/speeches/safe-as-churches.aspxFaith based institutions also provide access to children. That access is available in an environment in which a child’s spiritual development occurs and is nurtured by adults. Children are brought up to respect, and to accept, the instruction of adults. It is how children learn, both about themselves and society. The child will always be vulnerable to the abusing adult. Where the adult is perceived by the child to be a manifestation of spiritual good, in some cases especially chosen by God, and able to instruct the child about the mysteries of life, death, belief in God, and good and evil an extra level of vulnerability may be present.
The Commissioners have heard many times from survivors who as children were told that if they tell anyone about the abuse they will be punished by God and may go to hell. Both physical punishment of the child and alienation from God are threats of which we repeatedly hear. Sometimes the child was told that the abuse afflicted upon them is God’s will.
Remarkably some have been told it is the way God wants them to learn about sex. The calculated exploitation of a child’s innocence is difficult to comprehend. The power afforded to the adult by the institution is corrupted and used to abuse the child.
The special attention which an abusing priest, pastor or religious person may have paid to the abused child is commonly welcomed by the child’s parent. This will also be true of a child’s sporting coach, lay teacher or dance instructor. That attention may engender a sense in the developing child that they are special. When the nurturing of a child’s spiritual development becomes entangled with affection and misplaced adoration of the abuser, both the risk to the child and the impact of the abuse when it occurs increases. The loss of a spiritual life for a survivor is common, although not universal. For many survivors this loss compounds the burdens they must carry for the rest of their lives.
A pubescent or post-pubescent child seeking to understand their own identity and place in the world, including their sexual identity, is vulnerable to the affections and special treatment of the adult leading ultimately to disillusionment and, for many, lifelong destructive consequences. -
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Child abuse royal commission: Justice McClellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy
by OrphanCrow inchild abuse royal commission: justice mcclellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy.
every major australian church has been cautioned to better protect children or risk illegitimacy.in a speech to the national council of churches, the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse chairman justice peter mcclellan urged religious leaders to act on his recommendations.
"what we can be certain of is that any institution which does not acknowledge past wrongs and the need for change will lose the confidence of australians," he said via a recorded video.. read more and watch video of speech (26.02 long) at link:.
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Justice McClellan was addressing the National Council of Churches and the transcript can be found on the ARC Child Abuse website.
They have proposed that the redress scheme involve a number of aspects. It's not just monetarily but requires an active role by the organization in apologizing -http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/speeches/safe-as-churches.aspx
We said appropriate redress should include three elements:
A direct personal response by the institution, including an apology, an opportunity for the survivor to meet with a senior representative of the institution and an assurance as to the steps the institution has taken, or will take, to protect against further abuse.
Access to therapeutic counselling and psychological care as needed throughout a survivor’s life.
Modest monetary payments as a tangible means of recognising the wrong survivors have sufferedUnfortuantely it looks like the redress scheme will be voluntary.
On 4 November 2016 the Minister for Social Services, Christian Porter, announced the establishment of the Commonwealth Redress Scheme. In that announcement Minister Porter said that ‘any state, any territory, any church, any charity, who has responsibility in this area will be able to opt-in to the scheme’. Institutions would opt-in on the basis that they fund the cost of their own eligible redress claims.
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Just got back from Field Service
by biblexaminer ini had to work with an elder in fs today.
there was no way out.. this elder is from africa somewhere, right off the boat.
how do they view children?.
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Bible Examiner, was your attack brought on by what you were witnessing and the position you were in? You were obviously distraught at what was going on.
Since the Brother was an Elder it would have been very difficult to do anything but watch on as you can't be seen to questioning his authority.
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Do you have enough guts to play the Ouija board game???
by James Mixon inif so you are now free!!!!!!!!
i could sit in a secluded cabin, in a thunder storm and no lights, all alone with no fear of demons jumping out of the woodworks....evil spirits can play hell in your life, what a relief......
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It's an interesting game. I played it with a family of girls years ago. I noted that it was the most domineering of the girls that was controlling the board. The other sisters were not aware and it was a clever way to manipulate them.