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Legalities around summarising Ray Franz's book 'Crisis of Conscience'
by UnshackleTheChains injust looking for some advice.
i know there has been a lot of discussion around the book 'crisis of conscience' and copyright infringement on this forum.
hence the reason for my question.. in 2004, i couldn't believe my luck in finding this book in the city library.
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How ballroom dancing helped our exit
by Finally Left injust wanted to say hello and thank you for all of your comments.
when i finally figured out this was not the truth it was nice to know i wasn't the only one - it was a surprise to learn how many there are.
february was my last month of service after 43 active years.
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Welcome Finally Left and thanks for sharing your story. It's wonderful that you could both come out together.
You are sharing some valuable information. Taking up a hobby and getting to know some other nice people I think is important. Also sharing with them that you were JWs and their shunning policy was a very good idea. Some of us have been embarrassed to tell others our JW experiences but it is surprising how supportive worldly people can be even though they don't fully understand the issues we have to deal with.
I'm looking forward to hearing more.
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Spiritual Welfare
by wheelwithinwheel inthis year’s “don’t give up” convention encourages theocratic welfare.
brother pioneer is doing a lot of carting and having trouble making ends meet.
his landlord doesn’t get it and decides to evict him and his wife.. .
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The couple didn't even say it was a money issue, it just appeared to be a landlord issue, who it sounds, was illegally evicting them.
It looks like they're still up to their old tricks. The couple recieve the money in their mail box and there is no indication who it is from. They can't have them knowing it was from individuals in the congregation.
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have you noticed how the main Jw preaching message has changed?
by nowwhat? inyears ago it was all about armageddon and getting out of babylon the great.
then with the draw close to jehovah and is there a creator that care about you.
it was all about building a relationship with jehovah.
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The message they preach seems to be different but it looks like it is still the same at assemblies.
In the last talk at the 'Don't give up' assembly they show tight pants Tony give a short video speech. He says that Armageddon is imminent. -
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The convention releases are up on JW.org
by NikL inassuming anyone cares :-).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-convention-releases/.
they are releasing another bible story book targeted at kids.. sheesh!
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Brokeback, I like your comment a Lot.
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Is the GB setting up to dump 1914?
by karter inwith the "generation change" and them changing it all the time it would make sence to dump it all togeather.. lets face it ,it can be disproved easly.. they dumped 1975 in a heart beat .. this would buy them all the time they wanted as they would just find another date to start the generation from ie: "the u.n year of peace and sercurty'',1986 i belive or whatever else they could think of.. they could sell it to the r&f as easly as they sold 1975,then dumped it when it did'nt happen .. anyone questioning them would be told they are running ahead of jehovah or lacking faith in his earthly org that feeds us food at the proper time .. what do you think?.
karter..
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The revised NWT has a timeline of some significant dates, such as the year Jesus was baptized and the year he died. The only mention of 1914 was a general 'about 1914' Satan was hurled from heaven'.
It's not impossible for the Watchtower to remove the significance of 1914, or at least part of its significance. They managed to do it, more or less, successfully in relation to 1874. 1874 was originally based on it being 6,000 years since the creation of Adam. In 1943 they decided that the calculation to get to 1874 was wrong and out by 100 years, then later on (or possibly before?), out by another 1 year. In the late 1960s attention was drawn to the year 1975 as being 6,000 years since the creation of Adam.
Recycle and republish, without too much effort into reapplying prophecies and 1914 becomes 1975 and the whole cycle starts over again.
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Sanderson's hate speech
by Listener ingb member sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent russian ban.
it was given as a morning worship rant.
sanderson sports his usual smirk.. he opens up quoting matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution.
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GB member Sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent Russian ban. It was given as a morning worship rant. Sanderson sports his usual smirk.
He opens up quoting Matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution. Verse 23 gives a very clear instruction that when you are persecuted in one city you are to flee to another but Sanderson fails to explain how they are helping Russian Brothers to flee.
Happy Sandy then proceeds to discuss how Satan shows murderous hate for all faithful servants and there is a literal war going on with Satan and his wicked spiritual forces.
He then explains how we recently saw the Devil's attack on Jehovah's people in Russia.
He claims that ALL of the accusations were COMPLETELY ridiculous and that they know they are doing the right things when they are hated by the Agents of the Devil.
He claims that Russian Brothers have reports of inactive ones, former Bible studies and relatives contacting JWs because of what they see in Russia - they know the end is close at hand.
How can Happy Sandy even be proud that people are returning because they see this as the end being close? We were once taught that God could see through the falseness of our actions if we decided to leave and only rejoin as we saw Armageddon being imminent.
Also Sandy is encouraging the idea that the Russian ban is a sign of the closeness of Armageddon and from reading reports on here (e.g. Phoebe), we can see it's working.
Sanderson also quotes a news report (lol) where a spokesman for the Russian Orthodox church claims JWs cannot be called Christians because they do not believe Jesus is God and Savour or in the trinity doctrine and he welcomed the Supreme Court decision because the pernivious and harmful influence of the JWs would now start to decline. Happy Sandy said that the 'hatred of the Devil'' was in those comments.
This is scarey stuff folks. No wonder JWs are abuzz with excitement being stirred up by the likes of buck toothed Sanderson. He declares it as war and the actions of Satan. He is making a trumpet sounding message of judgement against both the Russian Government and the Russian Orthodox church. This is exactly part of the reason that the Russian Government has called them extremists.
This organisation was never about sticking to preaching the message of the gospel and they aren't being persecuted for the sake of Jesus. Sanderson is stirring up even more trouble and it becomes obvious that they didn't get JWs worldwide to write protest letters in the hope that it would stop the banning. Rather, it was to whip up this persecution complex, making it real on a personal level.
Those poor Brothers in Russia. Sanderson is doing what Rutherford did for the JWs in Germany by writing to Hitler after he confiscated their Assets.
https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-jwb_201705_16_VIDEO
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Seeking Former Elder
by Tricia Franginha inhey everyone im desperately trying to locate a former elder from ontario, canada who is willing to talk to a journalist about the sex abuse issue in the org.
this would be a major article in a major canadian magazine but without locating an elder to speak to she cannot do the story.
please help ad we need this exposure in canada.
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What is the name of the reporter and which newspaper would it be published in? It may be a bit difficult for ex JWs to personally identify themselves to a one time poster.
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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
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Meeting from Beroean Pickets has written an article on this. One of the points made is the following
The narrator of the video would have us believe the Organization was playing a different tune at that time. He adds: “But something just didn’t seem right. Both in meetings and in my personal study I was reminded of what Jesus said. Nobody knows the day or the hour”. [boldface added]
Sometimes you read or hear something like this and you just want to burst out with: “SAY WHAT?!”
The principle source for feeding the 1975 euphoria were the meetings, circuit assemblies, and district conventions. Additionally, magazine articles, particularly in the Awake! magazine, continued to feed this frenzy of anticipation. All of this is a matter of public record and cannot be successfully denied. Yet, here they are attempting to do just that, slipping it into a video almost as if they hope no one notices the poison pill. -
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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
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"some were looking with a certain date in view"
What was this date? It was not a date in as much as it was only a year. With this current generation teaching there is no date, as such, but there is still a time setting, which at a maximum, being before approx. 2070 although listening to the Gb talks, they would have you believe it is before 2040. Nothing has changed other than as time passes their 'date' becomes more general.
"I was dedicated to Jehovah, not a date"
This statement is a lot of nonsense, it means nothing. Who was ever dedicated to a date? There were only two scenarios either a JW was
- dedicated to Jehovah, without a date in mind or
- dedicated to Jehovah, with a date in mind
The fact is that by having a date in mind, without question, the individual became dedicated to the teachings of an organisation, not Jehovah's/Bible teachings.
"after that year came and went, most of those who had the wrong expectations made the needed adjustments and they stayed. We didn't run away and we didn't give up, we trusted in Jehovah"
What exactly were these 'needed adjustments'? It was to accept that the organisation were fallible and to accept their teachings regardless. It meant to accept them even against biblical warnings.
It's strange how the JW first explains that his deep study showed him that as no one knows the day or hour he personally didn't accept the org's teaching but then talks about 'we' not giving up or running away. It begs the question as to who he would be running away from. Since he already knew the truth of the matter then he could only have been running away from the organisation, not Jehovah.
It is an organisation that gives itself the right to get anything wrong and expects God to make matters right.
A good question to ask a JW who knows many of the crazy teachings of Russell or Rutherford would be whether they would think any less of a studious Bible student of that time, if they rejected those teachings.