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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

Listener

JD- Wait JP are you saying that viewing the law as black and white is a sign of not being mentally healthy. I will have to disagree with you on that one. Not trying to justify breaking the law is not a mental health issue it is being a law abiding citizen.

Does this mean you would follow the laws of your country no matter what they are?

Let's say you were driving an injured person to hospital who was bleeding to death. Would you take the time to put their seatbelt on , even if it meant injuring them more? What if the only place you could stop to get them into the hospital meant illegally parking?

What about being called up to serve in the front line during a war, with no options for alternative service, would you do that?

Do you think the Watchtower has always been law abiding and will not deliberately break the law in the future?

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Rookie exJW Question

by Phoebe in

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i was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.

every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.

i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.

Listener

Another video is this one, uploaded a couple of days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pehwx1gAnw&t=5s

I've heard it said that the organization were interested in the outcome of the case and filed as 'friends of the court' not to support Jimmy Swaggart but simply to legally express their interest in the outcome of the case. In the video above Jason Zelda shows a seven or eight page submission that the Watchtower lodged in this Swaggart court case. It would be interesting to see that report because from what Zelda is saying it does sound like the Watchtower were supporting Swaggart in believing that their should be no requirement to pay taxes.

If nothing else, the fact that they filed their interest in this case seems to demonstrate that they believed neither Swaggart or themselves should be taxed. On that basis, it could be said that they supported Swaggart's claims and therefore, by extension, his ministry in the fact that Swaggart shouldn't be paying taxes and neither should they because they acknowledged that their activities were similar.

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When exactly did Jesus become king? The Insight Book tells us.

by The Fall Guy in

it-2 pp.

61-62 jesus christ - "they [1st century christians] recognized him as their lord........because of his kingly position and authority.

it was in the full regal as well as priestly authority represented by jesus’ name that his followers preached.....to the “name” of this divinely commissioned king, the lord jesus christ.

Listener

Hi Blondie, it's been a long while since you've posted and I've missed your contributions. I hope all is well with you.

Thankyou for your quote explaining why they teach that he was King in a different sense in both 33 CE and 1914.

They claim that Jesus has had tremendous authority since 33 CE and quote Matt 28:18 which does not make that claim, rather that he has all authority.

And Jesus Christ has ruled as King of kings and Lord of lords over his congregation since Pentecost 33 C.E. But now, since 1914, he has been given kingly authority to rule in that capacity with his enemies placed as a ‘stool for his feet.’ The time was now ripe for him to ‘go subduing in the midst of them,’ all in fulfillment of Psalm 110:1, 2.—Hebrews 2:5-8; Revelation 17:14; 19:16. W 6/1 1994

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Listener

Would almighty God have allowed this group of Christians to champion his name at this crucial time if they did not enjoy his blessing and support?

If it is important that they are known as Jehovah's Witnesses then new light has been defective. In a number of instances, Jehovah's name is now delegated to the letter J.

At one time, they would always correct someone if they referred to them as JWs. It felt offending to be called a JW. Now they have a logo with Jehovah's name represented as a J, erected at every Kingdom Hall and on all their publications. Their one and only official website is listed using only God's initial.

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How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

by waton in

`~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

Listener

I love this teaching. If so easily shows how these are just ideas of men and there's not one verse to back it up. I try to always mention it when speaking to JWs.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Listener

Slimboyfat, there's an interesting thread on this site that was written 6 years ago. I don't know if you have ever seen it but here is the link

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/210035/new-world-translation-holy-scriptures?page=7

The Watchtower claims that they restored God's name in the New Testament. You can only restore something if it was there originally and in the majority of instances it was not, so their claim is false.

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How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

by waton in

`~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

Listener

They want the r&f to believe that all of this second group are 'well advanced in years' and point to the current GB as an example.

The whole concept is crazy. I think it was Splane that effectively said to find your own scriptures to support their idea and used one that he thought was appropriate.

Your point is taken. They are having a hard time trying to hype up the urgency with this teaching. That's why they keep explaining it and at the same time, push this idea that the end is so close.

There is a poster on Reddit that claims he had heard from 'those in the know' that they are planning on changing the message to one of judgement at this years Annual Meeting and that they are redoing some articles in the January, 2018 Watchtower.

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How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

by waton in

`~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

Listener

Mark Sanderson GB, currently 52. If he lives as long as F Franz did then that is another 46 years to go - 2063.

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Theocratic warfare. Great video

by stuckinarut2 in

we all recall the appalling example of vin toole during the australian royal commission when he was questioned about"theocratic warefare".

here is a great video that shows how the society has used, and in turn tried to lie about "theocratic warfare".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cixj9b6sd34.

Listener

Vincent Toole wasn't at the second case hearing before the Australian Royal Commission. It's no wonder when he failed as the legal lawyer for the Branch to advice when it was appropriate to report accusations and he lied in the first hearing.

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Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body - Mike Felker

by ToesUp in

i found this video very well done.. mike felker is the chapter director of ratio christi at georgia state university.

check out this video on youtube:.

https://youtu.be/grs8m6tdq9g.

Listener

I've posted his video's before Toes Up and enjoy his presentations. He was never a JW but studied with them for a short period to get an understanding of their teachings and he does a very good job of refuting them.