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  11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos

  by thebrokenkite in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let the reader use discernment:.

  i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.

  while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.

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  Alexandra James from JW Victims mentioned a great point that I'll elaborate on.

  It's all fine and dandy to have a blog and Youtubes but what's also important is trying to find ways of getting JWs to look at them.
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  When did "The Last Days" of JW Organization Begin? Will This Generation See It End?

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a growing discourse on this forum has been around what "the end" means.

  as jws, many here spent varying proportions of our lives waiting for the end when an unsettling realization was that the end that approaches is more likely to be from old age than the world's end.

  through the centuries, group after group, has claimed it has "inside" information on the end of the world, drawing in the desperate-for-comfort like moths to flames.

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  Even on their new Headquarters is a signage on the driveway leading up to the secured entrance. It has the JW logo, Jehovah's Witnesses and Headquarters. Watchtower is missing.
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  November 2017 JW broadcasting HYPOCRISY!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok...so i am on a bit of a temper tantrum rant here...but if anyone has (endured) watched this month's broadcast, you will know what i mean!.

  i have only watched 20 mins so far, and the hypocrisy is mind blowing.

  they dare to go on about how thoroughly they research the material produced, so that errors are prevented etc.. for instance, the actually say how they ensure that a scientist is not misquoted, or that an "evolutionist" is not inaccurately quoted to make it seem like his comments are different to his intentions.

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  I just made a post over at Reddit about one of the claims towards the end of the video.
  
  

  James "Jim" Mantz (a helper to the Writing Committee) says this -

  "We cling to our accurate understanding of the Bible."
  
  Their understanding of the Bible is their personal interpretation and he is claiming that it is accurate. It flies in the face of their 'new light' excuses.
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  11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos

  by thebrokenkite in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let the reader use discernment:.

  i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.

  while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.

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  A former elder, or a rising YouTube star (I don't know who these people are) told his tale, making sure to include his and his son's partaking of the emblems at the most recent Memorial. I scratched my head about that one for a while. Do/did they really believe they were/are anointed? I would've probably stayed in if I was anointed. Could've made GB...

  
  There are some JWs on learning TTATT come to a personal realization that being anointed is not exclusive to JWs who believe they have been selected by Jehovah to serve as Kings and Priests in heaven. They take the Bible as being specific to them as being born again Christians. That is why some ex JW Christians will partake at the Hall or privately at home or link up with others to hold their own memorial.
  
  Ray Franz, who also believed that he was anointed, came to a realization that this position (being born again) was for all Christians and wrote about it in his book. He was amongst a group of JWs/Bethelites at HQ that would get together to study the Bible and also believed this.
  
  From what I read, this is the situation with most JWs who hold onto their belief in God believe. Their are a large number of ex JWs that eventually become atheists.
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  thebrokenkite - There were only about 40 protesters there, not anywhere near the 100 previously reported here

  
  That was me and I stand corrected. I misunderstood a count that "Spoonfednomore" was taking. I did notice that Zeb was asked to take a count at one stage so we will probably get a more accurate figure later on.
  
  At a guess, the other ex Elder you are talking about might be this guy known as "Spike R" on Youtube.
  
  It sounds like you might be able to provide some practical advise for any future protests.
  
  
  
  
  
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  November 2017 monthly program affected by apostates??

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i recently watched a video about a kingdom hall demonstration from a link on this site, and in the comments on youtube somebody said this: .

  i understand that the "apostate" activity this week has caused the wt/gb to change the content of the november jwbroadcasting episode and will delay its release until they can figure out how to spin this activity.. .

  has anybody heard of this or is there any truth to this?

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  If the Watchtower had to change something, either in print or on video, it would take about two months to do it. They are so slow.
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  There were reports afterwards of a couple of Sisters crying after the women spoke of their own sad experiences. It may have been that their stories hit a nerve.

  The Elders told them they were approaching them in the wrong way and they should contact HQ. They were responding to questions with 'no comment'.

  Naturally the police were called, the Elders feel themselves incapable of handling the situation. One policeman showed up and was supportive of the protesters, wanting to know more about them and their cause.

  The VAA also protested later in the day in front of the Warwick complex, apparently there were over 100 of them. The Watchtower parked a large truck at their entrance and turned the sprinklers on, when it was raining. Parker (Fateful Slave) went and spoke to the JW security guards and again invited the GB to talk to them. They refused and pressed a button, calling the police. A police car turned up and left quickly after, not even bothering to talk to the protesters.

  Here is an organisation that will not address serious issues, they should not be surprised that there are some who want to bring it to their attention.

  Well done VAA.
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  October 31, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: New Visitor Exhibit at Bethel (UK)

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 31, 2017 to all congregations re: new visitor exhibit at bethel.

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  Visitors will also see how our methods of spreading the good news have developed from sound cars and sandwich boards, to high speed printing presses and witnessing carts.

  
  Over 100 years developing from using sandwich boards to carts isn't really progress.
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  February 2018 Watchtower

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  note the picture on the top right hand side.

  the little boy in green is standing between the man's legs (jesus), face forward.

  the picture is not appropriate at all and suggestive.

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  There's also a picture of a young boy at school, it looks like he might be sitting on his own and he is making a spectical of himself, with his head down, hands together and eyes closed, praying. Four kids are looking at him, some stunned and some amused. It is presented as an example of maintaining integrity.
  
  It's little comments like the following that gives insight to the ideals of a JW. In the Study article regarding spirituality this was said
  
  

  Are we like Jesus, ever ready to show compassionate concern when we meet people who need help? In addition, Jesus devoted himself to the work of preaching and teaching the good news. (Luke 4:43) All such feelings and actions are marks of a spiritual person.

  
  When it comes to helping someone in need showing compassion is all that is required but in making converts to the organization, physical work is required.
  
  Just a little further on in the article they talk about some of the qualities displayed in a modern day 'spiritual person'.
  
  In the next article the reader is told the following
  
  

  8 Paul urged first-century Christians to “press on to maturity.” (Heb. 6:1) In order to apply Paul’s counsel today, what steps can we take? One important step is to study the publication “Keep Yourselves in God’s Love.” Completing your study of that book will help you to see how to apply Bible principles in your life. If you have already finished studying that book, can you move on to other study materials that can help you to stabilize your faith? (Col. 1:23)

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  Not only are there publications important in order to gain salvation but here they have mentioned a specific book as being important in order to 'press on to maturity'. I wonder if there are any of Russell's books that would benefit JWs in this way? And if there publications are so important, why are they printing less and not more?

  Then there is this spotlight focus on a deceased GB member, who's words must be so meaningful that special mention of them are recalled.
  
  

  In commenting on Luke 13:24, John Barr, who served as a member of the Governing Body, pointed out some years ago, “Many fail because they are not diligent enough to grow mighty.”

  
  JWs are told that they should not entertain fleshly thoughts or material thanking and yet they dare to protest that they are not extremist.
  
  

  If we find that our mind pushes us toward materialistic thinking or fleshly desires, we should not give up. Keep asking for the spirit, and Jehovah will help you to redirect your mental attitude to focus on proper things. (Luke 11:13)

  
  Further on, they suggest that you are endangering your spirituality if you accept an invitation from a stranger to join them in playing a game online.

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  February 2018 Watchtower

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  note the picture on the top right hand side.

  the little boy in green is standing between the man's legs (jesus), face forward.

  the picture is not appropriate at all and suggestive.

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  Note the picture on the top right hand side. The little boy in green is standing between the man's legs (Jesus), face forward. The picture is not appropriate at all and suggestive. Who knows what the man is touching with his right hand on his lap but whatever it is, it's skin colored.