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Kingdom Support Services Used Equipment - violin for sale

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

found on this site here: http://used-tools-equipment.com/.

for the low price of $3500, you can own this lovely instrument:.

orren v. heath 1937 american violin no.

Listener

I wondered if it was the beautiful violin they used in their 2016 Paradise video but the one they are selling looks more worn. (2.58)

https://youtu.be/q970hdZYCfg?t=178

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Pillowgate: a heterosexual male's review

by neat blue dog in

my first impressions watching it, coming from a heterosexual male, was that it was just plain ridiculous (big surprise, i know), but i just want to share some thoughts as to why.. regarding the hypothetical scenario of two guys asking each other if they've ever woken up with an erection and other stuff like that: no, that would not arouse me.

i'm talking with a male, which i'm not sexually attracted to, and assuming he's a friend, it's just a casual conversation that i'm mature enough to handle.

the only way this is flirting (and then only maybe) is if one of us is gay.

Listener

They still talk about it as a serious sin and that the Elders need to deal with it. The only difference is that it makes a marriage partner free to divorce and remarry if they wish, which also means that the matter must be reported to the spouse.

If a male has been unfaithful to his wife by masturbating with another male or female he needs to have a JC but my understanding is that it would be up to him to report it to his wife. A wife is not so lucky and must tell her husband or the Elders will.

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New Member Of The Governing Body 24 Jan 2018

by pale.emperor in

just seen this announced on reddit:.

ken cook was announced today at morning worship as the new member of the governing body.

i dont recall him from the broadcasts, but he was formally a helper on the writing committee as per https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body/.

Listener

More than likely, Cook has no children, making it 7 out of 8 appointed men on the Governing Body that have had no experience in raising children. But as pointed out already, he's lived most of his life sheltered in the Bethel environment, which reduces his practical experiences even further.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

Listener

Masturbation is discussed by the organisation as if it's a young persons problem. But it's hard to imagine that someone like Sanderson who is single and in his 50s doesn't have a battle with this all the time. If the organisation was sincere about this issue the surely it would have been more appropriate for Sanderson to give the talk and he could have related, from personal experience, how he deals with the matter.

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Pillowgate makes headlines in Finland

by Festus in

local newspaper in finland has published an article concerning wtbs:s "pillowgate@ videos.

the local "communications manager" of jehovah's witnesses - veikko leinonen - has declined to comment them.

according to him they are for internal use only.

Listener

Saying that they are for internal use only doesn't help their case, it just makes them look more cultish.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

Listener

Since the GB feel the need to present this talk on masturbation to Bethelite newbies maybe they should examine more closely those that they are selecting to work at Bethel given their understanding as written in the Watchtower 1973 9/15

That masturbation is abnormal and unnatural is also indicated by the fact that abnormal, mentally deranged people are notorious masturbators. Somewhat similarly, The Bremerton Sun (Washington) states that many mentally disturbed priests and nuns are chronic masturbators

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End times "too late for you now" witnessing?

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. i've heard it several times from different people while i was growing up, as well seen some people talk about it here on the forum.

the subject is the jw belief that a time will come before the end where they will change the message that jesus talked about, to one of damnation, where the world will be told something along the lines of "it is too late now".

do any of you have references to jw litterature where they write this?

Listener

I think they are softening up on this viewpoint. The July 15 2015 Watchtower explains their latest light on the matter. This was the article that had them saying there would be a 'rapture' of the anointed.

In that article they say that the GT will be "3 Soon, very soon,"

Although they state that they don't know the exact order of events they do state that the beginning of the GT starts with Babylon the Great (false religion/religious organizations) being destroyed but there will be some who leave their religions

even some of the clergy will abandon their religious course and deny that they were ever part of those false religions.

Here's what they say about the message changing during the GT

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matt. 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end. The Bible likens this message to hailstones when it says: “Great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent, fell from heaven on the people, and the people blasphemed God because of the plague of hail, for the plague was unusually great.”—Rev. 16:21.

In the article they explain

we cannot expect that the future interruption in the great tribulation will result in an influx of new believers.

An influx means a great number of people so they are leaving their opinion open to the idea that there will be some new believers.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

Listener

Towards the end of the video the viewers are invited to report to the Elders if they have been involved in any of the situations revealed throughout the talk. What a great way to start life at Bethel or they could just as likely send you home for lying on you application.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

Listener

Some more gems.

The definition of flirting is when you treat someone as if you're interested in marrying them but have no intention of not doing so (seems I wasn't flirting with my husband before we dated after all).

1.41 We get some examples of what porneia is. You might pay a stripper to give you a lap top dance. She grinds her croche on your knee and you get aroused. It can even include provocative dancing where your genitals are rubbing against another.

If you masturbate in front of each other, that is not porneia but it is a serious sin and needs the elders to deal with it. (Somehow, masturbating whilst watching porn, which can be pictures of real people is not a serious sin and won't get you dfd).

Apparently, you may sometimes be struggling with same sex desires but that doesn't mean your homosexual. This got me wondering if Tight Pants Tony was behind this talk.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

Listener

Bobby you say that the org. has every right to have their own rules for Bethelites. What is puzzling me is what rules are being established in this video that only apply to Bethelites and not all JWs?