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  JW stopped me in the street.....

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he pulled up in his car beside me and asked for directions, then he recognized me, we used to be in the same congo.. the usual pleasantries, i gave him directions, and then "when are you going to come back then" he asks.. "never" i say, "well, it has all changed" he says, " it's not like it used to be" i detect a tone of regret.. "but you know there is nowhere else to go" he boldly proclaims.. "yes there is !

  " say i, "there is somewhere where you can find truth, and truth is supported by facts and evidence ".

  he had to drive off then as he was blocking a narrow street, i did not get time to say " go to jw facts.com", i will tell him next time..

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  It makes you wonder what the average JW feels when they attend the meetings these days. Long gone are the days when one meeting was held in a persons home as a very small group. Now the meetings are taken up with a lot of pre-recorded videos presented by people they don't personally know, or even worse, by shadow figures or cartoons.

  Not even the songs are sung without looking at a screen. It's become more impersonal. Soon, if not already, they'll have all their personal details logged on a computer system.
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  LEAKED: UK Branch Relocation Update 11-Jun-2018

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/szsw4mwni40.

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  It's very surprising to hear that the youngest volunteer EVER to have worked on the project is as old as 19 years of age. I would have thought there would be plenty of youths ready and willing to work. Sounds like they've put a restriction on age which is a great thing considering how vulnerable young ones can be in that organization.
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  Story out of Sacramento demon possessed pioneers

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  anyone heard anything?.

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  They had probably bought too many red hats at the thrift store.
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  Randy Wall case linked to on JWdotORG

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  under "breaking news" on jwdotorg, there is a link to a court case in canada that was just resolved on may 31st.. https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/17101/index.do.

  it's in regard to him being disfellowshipped, and the court says they can't get involved.

  jwdotorg gives this statement about their victory:.

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  In a unanimous decision released on May 31, 2018, the Supreme Court of Canada recognized that the disfellowshipping arrangement should remain free from court intervention. We rejoice in this vindication of Jehovah’s righteous standards.—Isaiah 33:22.

  They are are so quick to boast about it that they make a claim which is not true. They make a general statement but their victory is only limited to this case and the precedents already set out by the courts.

  There could arise circumstances that due to the disfellowshipping arrangement of the church an individual would be able to successfully sue through court involvement.

  During the court hearing it was acknowledged when the courts could become involved - it relates to inflicting intentional emotional distress.

  This is from a website advising when a religion could be sued

  EMOTIONAL DISTRESS

  The infliction of emotional distress is grounds for a lawsuit in most jurisdictions. However, it is strictly limited to the intentionaIlinfliction of emotional distress. That is, the plaintiff must prove that the actions of the defendant were motivated by the desire to cause emotional distress.

  I imagine this is the very reason a JC will be delayed when it comes to the Elders attention that there is a chance of suicide.

  It may also be a reason why many Elders will take a step backwards in dealing with a JW who says they are dealing with personal problems.

  It would be good if JWs/exJWs considered how best they could use this fact before or during a JC.

  As an example, the Elders could be told that if they go ahead with dfing they will be responsible for the shunning that results from their public announcement which you feel will cause untold emotional damage to you.

  Its no wonder that they like to say that it's not them that are causing this distress but the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the dfd one, who by their own actions, brought this on himself.

  The idea that they 'desire to cause emotional distress' could possibly be demonstrated by the idea that they use disfellowshipping as a form of blackmail and not simply to keep their congregations clean since they choose to ignore sinners who don't confess and there are not two witnesses.

  Their disfellowshipping arrangement is cruel and it was pointed out by Judge Mclellan at the ARC.
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  Only one real point per WT study...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has anyone else noticed that in the wt study articles the main point they want you to remember is always somewhere around paragraph 11-14?

  it's like a formula.

  intro and overview paragraphs 1-4. basic wt stuff 5-8 (not controversial).

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  I didn't realize that but now that you mention it, yes, that's true.
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  I've graduated at last

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after a bit of a kerfuffle over a procedural matter, my university has awarded me a degree.

  (the procedural problem was caused by my independent selection of what i wanted to study).

  award : bachelor of arts.

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  A big congratulations FullTimeStudent.

  I see that you did some studies on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
  
  I was wondering, since the KJV was written before these were discovered, what affect, if any they have on that version?
  
  If you're too busy celebrating to answer, I completely understand. :)
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  Slidin Fast - Did I understand correctly that they require a budget cut of 25% over 5 years? That is a monster cut back, in the commercial world a 2% loss in profits create a stock market run, 25% is an existential threat.
  
  
  

  
  That's what it sounds like- they require a budget cut of 25% over the 5 yrs so that by the fifth year they are at the point of reducing spending by 25% for that year and going forward. It appears that they are expecting that they (the Branch's) will be spending 25% less by the fifth year than they are now.
  
  For the 2016 year they asked that they spend 10% less for that year than previously so each year following will require more cuts in order to achieve the goal of 25% by the fifth year.

  It's odd because we have seen financials for the Canadian, British and Australian Branch's. They aren't making losses but are sending a lot to HQ. Either HQ is badly in debt or they want to stockpile (siphon off) more money by having the Branch's spend less and sending more to HQ.
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  Our very own pale.emperor on the "shunned" podcast.......

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, i offered in one of his threads to have him on the show and posters seemed excited at the possibility and we got it done so now you can hear from the man himself on the newest episode of "shunned".

  one of our very own stepped up to tell his story, well, aside from myself of course.

  it was great getting to actually speak with him.. this is my first international interview for the podcast.

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  Well done on 10,000 downloads dubstepped. It sounds like your audience are not just ex JWs/JWs, so it's great that you're able to reach to general public.
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  Cofty--Can You Help This JW Lady?

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  cofty, this jw lady sent us a message with a question on a point she is trying to verify.. .

  her question: (isn't the watchtower teaching a form of "evolution" right now and my jw family just don't realize it?).

  hold on sandra, grampa (atlantis), says that (cofty) is pretty much an expert on evolution and can answer your question more accurately than we can.

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  I've just been reading through the latest Watchtower- September 2018 and they have this as a footnote
  

  It is reasonable to conclude that some Armageddon survivors will be disabled. When on earth, Jesus cured people with “every sort of infirmity,” thus giving us a preview of what he will do, not for resurrected ones, but for Armageddon survivors. (Matt. 9:35) Resurrected ones will no doubt have whole, sound bodies.

  It seems that this is new light and rather than evolution being involved, there will be a miraculous healing of physical imperfections.

  If resurrected ones are going to have perfect bodies then they must also be perfect beings, both physically and mentally. But the footnote seems to only be discussing physical bodies. It makes me wonder what they think it is to be imperfect but since they simply come up with whatever they want or whoever's thoughts can convince the current Governing Body the only conclusion is that they can't make up their minds about anything, especially when they are simply speculating in the first place.

  The Watchtower 82 12/1 states

  Those who physically have died and will be resurrected on earth during the Millennium will still be imperfect humans. Also, those surviving the war of God will not be made perfect and sinless immediately. As they continue faithful to God during the Millennium those who will have survived on earth evidently will gradually progress toward perfection. Hence, as long as persons in both categories are not free of inherited sin, they will in a sense be “dead” (and could not yet be fully alive) in God’s sight.—Luke 9:60; Ephesians 2:1.
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  Faulty Decrees Conceal Criminals

  by Bill Covert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just finished barbara on a&e she quoted from her article "faulty decrees conceal criminals" posted on watchtower documents.

  you folks should take a couple minutes and read the article.

  her quote was that lev.5:1 required a witness to a crime to report the crime to police.

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  Her research revealed that Ray Franz was the writer who misapplied Lev.5:1which was a surprise to me.

  I can't find any evidence in her article that Ray Franz was the one who misapplied the scripture and do not understand why there is this focus on him having done so. Is there a reason for this?

  Even if Ray Franz had written the first article instructing JWs to inform on each other based on Leviticus 5:1, he was using a flawed bible interpretation to begin with so why blame him?