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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

Listener

Thanks for the correction Careful, it is meant to be 2019 and not 2018.

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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

Listener

There's a Preview note on one of the articles in this newly released Watchtower. The note can be found on an article titled "Part 1 of 4 Love and Justice in Ancient Israel".

The note states -

This article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that Jehovah cares about us. The remaining three articles will appear in the May 2019 issue of The Watchtower. The titles of those articles are “Love and Justice in the Christian Congregation,” “Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness,” and “Providing Comfort for Victims of Abuse.”

In this article is a picture with the comment " Jehovah wanted children to feel safe and secure as they were lovingly raised and taught by their parents"
While preparing a meal, an Israelite mother converses with her daughters; the father trains his son to care for the sheep

While preparing a meal, an Israelite mother converses with her daughters; the father trains his son to care for the sheep

Another picture has the comment "Jehovah loves us and knows when we suffer injustice (See paragraph 15)"

A sister is sad after suffering an injustice The text relating to this states

Lessons: Jehovah is not to blame when those who claim to serve him ignore his standards and harm his people. However, Jehovah loves us and knows when we suffer injustice. He feels our pain more keenly than a mother feels the suffering of her baby. (Isa. 49:15) Although he may not intervene immediately, in due time he will hold unrepentant wrongdoers to account for the way they have treated others.

Para 20 deals brings to attention the two witness rule

Jehovah has compassion for his people, so he put safeguards in place to prevent individuals from being treated unfairly. For example, the Law limited the possibility that a person would be falsely accused of a crime. A defendant had the right to know who was accusing him. (Deut. 19:16-19; 25:1) And before he could be convicted, at least two witnesses had to give evidence. (Deut. 17:6; 19:15) What about an Israelite who committed a crime that was seen by only one witness? He could not assume that he would get away with his wrongdoing. Jehovah saw what he did. In the family, fathers were given authority, but that authority had limits. In some family disputes, the elders of the city had the responsibility to become involved and render a final judgment.—Deut. 21:18-21.

Further on in the article is this -

Jehovah showed tender personal interest in the most vulnerable in the community. And he held those who mistreated them to account.—Read Exodus 22:22-24.
23 The Law also protected family members from sex crimes by forbidding all forms of incest. (Lev. 18:6-30) Unlike the people of the nations surrounding Israel, who tolerated or even condoned this practice, Jehovah’s people were to view this type of crime as Jehovah did—as a detestable act.
24 Lessons: Jehovah wants those he places in positions of responsibility to take a loving interest in all whom they oversee. He hates sex crimes and wants to ensure that all, especially the most vulnerable, receive protection and justice.

I doubt they will address how they have failed on this in the past, but given the fact that they are pointing out the failures of the Ancient Israelites it may be possible.

They can't keep ignoring their child abuse problem and this is the start of attempting to address it in a slightly different manner.

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Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

by atomant in

lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

Listener

Since the Watchtower states that Jesus plays the role of a mediator only in the instance of the new covenant and between spiritual Israelites/144,000 and God.

The next question to consider is what does the Watchtower teach that New Covenant is? It is very different to what most religions and bible scholars teach. Also, the Watchtower teaches of two different covenants in the New Testament as achieving the same thing. Look up Covenants in their Insight book.

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Business class for Governing Body

by Sergey Antonov in

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friends

hello everyone!

does anyone have any confirmation that the governing body uses the business class for its flights?.

also interesting is the information about the hours that were on the hand of one of the members of the governing body..

Listener

Snakes in the tower - is your costing right? At $200per person for four to a room makes it $800 for one room.

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Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

by atomant in

lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

Listener

Vienne - But that's probably why you are no longer a Witness.

Tsk Tsk, I can see this is getting heated but that is needed. Do you know that there are thousands of ex JWs and victims that are seeking apologies from this organization that you are putting on a pedestal?

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

Listener

If they started teaching critical thinking in Primary or High School the org. would be quick to rubbish formal training and recommend kids be taught at home.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

Listener

Well put Morpheas....but wait, there's more. (Edit - I'm referring more so to your earlier post)

I believe there's reasonable cause to be concerned when it comes to Lloyd and people's privacy.

I had a discussion with him on reddit recently, I post there as Old Movie Fan

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/9gkuym/call_to_action_charity_commission_wants_to_hear/

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GcMAF - cure or major treatment for autoimmune disease, cancer, autism, etc, and being suppressed or hype?

by Bad_Wolf in

since most people in this group have been taught how to research and fact check with our jw history and getting out, this is a topic that can be constructive to check out.

i stumbled upon this and spent some time researching it, and it's quite interesting.

it's part of your immune system, gcmaf.

Listener

There would be numerous plants and herbs that have been untested but use for hundreds of years effectively. Growing up in the 60s it was common knowledge that Doctors were happy to write out a prescription and would hesitate to recommend natural treatments over them. These days it is easier to come across a Doctor that will suggest a natural treatment.

The name of the plant is Scaevola Spinescenes also known as Maroon Bush.

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GcMAF - cure or major treatment for autoimmune disease, cancer, autism, etc, and being suppressed or hype?

by Bad_Wolf in

since most people in this group have been taught how to research and fact check with our jw history and getting out, this is a topic that can be constructive to check out.

i stumbled upon this and spent some time researching it, and it's quite interesting.

it's part of your immune system, gcmaf.

Listener

One of my previous employers had an amazing story.

His father in law worked as a dentist in his younger years which was around the 1930s/1940s. He spent a lot of things time in the Northern part of Australia so he treated a number of aboriginies. He learnt of a very effective cancer cure from them, particularly oral cancer of which he personally saw at least one aboriginies being totally cured.

He learnt that the cures were a result of eating a plant called Scaevola. This plant grows in the wild.

He spent much of his years trying to bring this cure to the attention of scientists and the Government. He was able to get one research university to undertake some research on it which was very positive. The project was abruptly shut down for unspecified reasons. However, the university had been supplying a number of cancer patients with a liquid form of the plant which they drank every day. These patients insisted that it helped them and the University promised to supply these patients with this medicine until they died.

The Government declared Scaevola as a poison and made it illegal to collect the plant from the wild, stating it as a protected species. However the University was given special clearance to keep providing it to their patients on their list.

I saw my boss go and collect this black liquid for his mother in law once a month. She had been diagnosed with cancer some years prior. She had drunk this medicine for over twenty years without her cancer returning. She died in her early 90s, her husband died a few months later.

My employer showed me the plant, he would collect it from the wild and prepare the medicine on his stove and supply close friends with it who were cancer victims. He was convinced of its healing properties as he had heard of it he many stories his father in law knew of.

They were convinced that the closure of any research into this plant was due to there not being any real interest in such a cheap and simple cure.

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Watchtower refuses to "Say Sorry" to Australian Royal Commission

by Darth FayDehr in

https://youtu.be/qic5cfkjswu.

interview on melbourne (australia) abc radio - regarding watchtower's refusal to "say sorry" (global campaign).

radio host jon faine interviews lara kaputt.

Listener

Many thanks to you and your wife also stuckinarut. Your wife mentioned in your interview that she was determined to do more and you both have become more visibly active - great job.

Your encoungement and support for others is appreciated.