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  Notes From an Elders Meeting

  by WinstonSmith in

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  2. beliefs

  so in this past week i came across a stash of my old elder stuff.

  i've scanned a bunch of notes and agendas, and public talk outlines.. check out an agenda and my notes from the meeting here: https://imgur.com/gallery/qqmyczn.

  i’ve put an explanatory note on each image in imgur.

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  Listener

  I think that CO had gone bananas.

  Actually, his garden of vegies was pretty cute. I wonder if he made that up himself?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses commission secret report highly critical of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on 14 november 2018, australian-based barristers david bennett ac, qc and james gibson presented to watchtower australia and the jehovah’s witnesses organisation their commissioned review and opinion on the findings and recommendations of the royal commission into the institutional responses to child sexual abuse as it related to jehovah’s witnesses.. .

  the review entitled “review of the commission’s investigation into jehovah’s witnesses and its ensuing reports” was divided into four parts, as follows:.

  part one considered the history and powers of royal commissions in general.. .

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  The crazy thing is, the Watchtower was very worried about its own reputation but they have their own platform where they can address their own concerns and that's their website JW org.
  
  But they won't use it because they don't want to draw attention to it for JWs to examine and determine for themselves as to whether the Watchtower is worthy of criticism or not or even far more guilty than that.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses commission secret report highly critical of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on 14 november 2018, australian-based barristers david bennett ac, qc and james gibson presented to watchtower australia and the jehovah’s witnesses organisation their commissioned review and opinion on the findings and recommendations of the royal commission into the institutional responses to child sexual abuse as it related to jehovah’s witnesses.. .

  the review entitled “review of the commission’s investigation into jehovah’s witnesses and its ensuing reports” was divided into four parts, as follows:.

  part one considered the history and powers of royal commissions in general.. .

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  Listener

  I was hoping that they had engage Dr Applewhite again since they could trust she would write a report in their favor but it seems they found another couple of guys who were paid to do the same.
  
  The summary report doesn't really say much and certainly not much could be substantiated, they are, after all, simply opinions. Weather the Commission went outside the terms of reference by including abuse cases within families is debateable but one the Watchtower wanted addressed again anyway. It doesn't matter, the fact is, it did, and the Watchtower was shown to be badly lacking in properly dealing with accusations of child abuse.

  In the summary report, Bennett and Gibson state -

  I understand that while Jehovah's Witnesses · did not agree with the Commission's reasons, they did not wish to exacerbate the trauma of either of the survivors or of their own witnesses and did not consider that their interests would be advanced by such a 6 challenge - which would only have added to the damaging publicity surrounding the Commission (Review 5.25).
  2.24 As noted in our Review (5.11 and following and 6.24 and following}, a substantial proportion of the Case Study 29, concerned the experiences of two Jehovah's Witnesses who were sexual abused in the 1980s and to the policies and procedures in place in the 1980s and 1990s (when the incidents were investigated}. 2.25 Jehovah's Witnesses chose not to cross-examine either witness. We understand that the decision was taken as Jehovah's Witnesses did not wish to exacerbate any trauma they suffered both as a result of their experiences and which may arisen from further questioning.
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  Australian Bethel propose building a media complex

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's a post on exjw reddit stating that the ibsa are planning on building a media operation at the sydney bethel.. the estimated cost is $10 million aud and this in spite of the fact that they still have not joined the redress scheme or attempted in any monetary way of assisting abused victims within the organization.. the link below includes detailed plans.

  they will be converting part of the current printery into a media complex.. they also propose to build a theme park in the form of a historical biblical site, including a man made mound and what one person suggests is a temple.. its not surprising that a bunch of old men in new york has dreamed all of this up - film sets in new york, england and now australia.

  they are bonkers but it's a novel way of getting money from their followers.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ernz3y/new_media_centre_at_the_australian_sydney_bethel/.compact.

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  I would think that the JWs who were kicked out of Bethel will feel even worse with all this exciting activity about to start.
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  Wt. April 2020 Revised Joel Prophecy

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this has been posted before, then my apologies..... article in april ‘20 wt changes the view of the locust swarm prophecy...formerly believed to describe the worldwide preaching by anointed.

  ”simply put, these verses refer, not to our zealous preaching work, but to the activity of the babylonian army that invaded jerusalem in 607 b.c.e.”.

  they also tie in the giving of holy spirit to the congregation at pentecost and thereafter.. the article is available to read in full on our least favourite website.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/an-attack-coming-from-the-north/.

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  During the Annual Meeting 2019 talk Splane says this

  "Well now, can we see a little bit of a parallel here? 1919, in 1919 according to official records, there were fewer than 6,000 publishers of the Good News but has Jehovah blessed the efforts of those 6.000 publishers? By the end of the century, he certainly had shown that he had blessed the efforts of the brothers...."

  Of course there was no explanation as to why there should be a current day parallel, just that there is a little bit of one.

  I guess that if they are wrong about that then they are only a little bit wrong.
  
  
  
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  "Fine Witness" diluted in latest experience

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the latest jwdotorg experience starts very familiarly:.

  danielle, one of jehovah’s witnesses in south africa, found a bag that a customer had left behind in a coffee shop.

  inside the bag was a wallet with money and credit cards.. when the owner met her to get it back,.

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  The Watchtower doesn't trust its own people when it comes to handling donations.
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  Dutch State secretary reaction about abuse report and argumentation judge

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reaction of state secretary and arguments of judge about report jw abuse in the netherlands.

  minister dekker: report on jehovah's sketches "extremely worrying" picture

  the report on the extent of sexual abuse within the community of jehovah's witnesses paints an extremely worrying picture.

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  Listener

  Thanks for reporting and it's a good outcome.
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  Wt. April 2020 Revised Joel Prophecy

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this has been posted before, then my apologies..... article in april ‘20 wt changes the view of the locust swarm prophecy...formerly believed to describe the worldwide preaching by anointed.

  ”simply put, these verses refer, not to our zealous preaching work, but to the activity of the babylonian army that invaded jerusalem in 607 b.c.e.”.

  they also tie in the giving of holy spirit to the congregation at pentecost and thereafter.. the article is available to read in full on our least favourite website.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/an-attack-coming-from-the-north/.

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  Why were we teaching false doctrines, you may ask. Well, it wasn't our fault, it was Russell and those others. They weren't reading the Bible properly. But not to worry, we still cherish some of their teachings.
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  Hellooooo! 6 years since i posted

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so... it has been six years since my last post.

  i wonder who still remembers me?

  a lot has changed and then again, a lot has not.... i'm still out of course as are my children who are doing very well.

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  Listener

  Hi Aussie Oz, I remember you.
  
  Have fun driving your new sports car.
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  Wt. April 2020 Revised Joel Prophecy

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this has been posted before, then my apologies..... article in april ‘20 wt changes the view of the locust swarm prophecy...formerly believed to describe the worldwide preaching by anointed.

  ”simply put, these verses refer, not to our zealous preaching work, but to the activity of the babylonian army that invaded jerusalem in 607 b.c.e.”.

  they also tie in the giving of holy spirit to the congregation at pentecost and thereafter.. the article is available to read in full on our least favourite website.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/an-attack-coming-from-the-north/.

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  Listener

  They are admitting that they take things out of context.
  
  In the article they say -

  "To understand a prophecy correctly, we generally have to consider its context. If we focus on only one aspect of the prophecy and ignore the rest, we may draw the wrong conclusion. In hindsight, it SEEMS that this has been the case with a prophecy in the book of Joel.
  
  

  
  Even with this admittance, they are still not very sure about it themselves as to why they interpreted the prophecy in the book of Joel incorrectly because they state that it was only seemingly wrong due to overlooking the context.

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