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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Listener

It's working now Vintage. The video on page 447 works but whatever you linked to on this page doesn't work for me.

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Vienne----------Smiles----------Atlantis!

by Atlantis in

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vienne:.

from time to time we do this vienne.

if grandpa wrote something that sounded uncomfortable or was too harsh, then you just let old grandpa apologize right up front with no questions asked.

Listener

It might not be alocohol that is making all eight of them drunk but it's definately spirits of one kind or another and they are drunk on power and importance.

The Bible even has scripture about the FDS

Matthew 24:49

49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards

But they're not just drunkards, they are very hungry, hence the potbellies. They are hungry for the money from their followers. Even closing the congregation bank accounts to enjoy all the spoils.

Very apt descriptions, one way or the other.

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Kneel before me, for I am an ... Activist!

by Simon in

i thought it was just me that had a negative view of people who proclaim themselves to be activists.. but no, it seems i'm not alone!.

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Listener

I think a lot of ex JW activists may use that term simply with reference to the idea that they actively support work against the Watchtower organization.

The Miriam Webster dictionary states

: one who advocates or practices activism : a person who uses or supports strong actions (such as public protests) in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue

Lloyd coined the phrase "aggressive activism" and included public protests in this term. He did this to distinguish his type of activism as being acceptable as opposed to actions of other JWs as being unacceptable. However, what he is doing as opposed to other activists fall under the same definition.

He's simply changed the dictionary term of 'strong' to 'aggressive'

It's not activism that most ex JWs provide, it's support, encouragement and exposure.

But where do you draw the line of whether an ex JW is an activist or not?

For instance, I gather Simon wouldn't consider himself an activist and I doubt Raymond Franz would.

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All KH Bank accounts to close and all received contributions sent directly to the WT

by James Jack in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-c6yshtkqu.

Listener

Thanks Atlantis for the documents and Kim Silvio for her discussion.

The Newsletter of July 22 seems to be one that affects the Congregations under the UK Branch since they discuss Gibraltar and Andorra. Point 11 of the Newsletter states

11. Contacting the Branch: We are aware that these changes will result in many questions and doubts. The branch will try to anticipate these questions and provide answers by giving all the necessary details as the adjustments are being implemented. For that reason, there is no need to inquire now about details related to adjustments that will take effect eventually, and for which more information will be provided. After that, the Accounting Department will gladly help resolve any incident.

How is it that they are aware that the changes are going to create not only questions but also doubts? Normally they think everything they do is right which wouldn't create doubts, any changes would have the opposite affect by congratulating the GB for their thoughtful and beneficial changes. It seems they are already feeling guilty about this.

I love how JWs don't need to enquire with questions or expressions of doubt because the Branch will anticipate what they are. There's only so much guessing what JWs are thinking but to actually allow them to speak about it means they can take the guesswork out of it.

Not even after they have explained themselves does there appear to be an avenue in which they can raise their concerns since they say that after the process they can talk to their Accounting Department but only if there is an incident. Even then, it's only when an incident arises that they will be happy to address it, suggesting that anything before then will make them unhappy.

Point 1 of the Announcement, which appears to be acting as an introduction states -

1. Change in Congregations, Circuits and Kingdom Hall Operating Committees Accounting: As mentioned in the announcement of April 8, 2022 regarding the challenges in handling banking matters and transactions, we are pleased to announce in the following paragraphs the adjustments that will come into effect in September 2022.

They seem to be suggesting that the transfer of bank accounts is to take the responsibility away from the congregation brothers because it is too challenging. With all their talk about privileges it's just another one they are removing.

Does anyone know if they are doing the same in the U.S. or Australia Branches?

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

I've noticed that Kim and Mike have been promoting more of their Youtube channels of late on this forum. That's fine and they make some great video's but they also make some video's with incorrect information or are not clear about the point they are making.

If they want to advertise here then it would be appreciated if they responded to comments regarding their Youtube's here also.

It was only 11 months ago that they made a Youtube with Mike stating that we were clowns here, we were mockworthy and were still Watchtower indoctrinated.

Mike also made personal claims against me which were not true. HIs personal belief was that I am a Watchtower Agent which is fine but only seems to be substantiated by the fact that I didn't like them claiming that a legitimate business was in fact run by the JW Watchtower. He stated that I had contacted this Julie and told her to sue Mike and Kim and that I demanded that they take the original video (the subject of this thread) down. I did no such thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEDYgoJXxGU&t=9s

Kim also said she didn't know if we were haters here on this forum, trolls or what.

The video's are still on their channel so I imagine they haven't changed their opinion about this forum.

However, 11 months later, they still haven't discussed the problem they have with this thread, explaining why they were calling us all those names or proving their false accusations here but instead have retained their two video's on their channel and continue to advertise new video's on this forum.

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Watchtower is contracting with Caesar/Satan's World

by Newly Enlightened in

years ago atlantis & us broke the story that qcs telecom was transferred to watchtower.. now qcs telecom has contracts with the ny state thruway authority.. links atlantis provided for us are under the video.

https://youtu.be/psssjfsnm8o.

Listener

Thanks for the information Atlantis, you have such an incredible amount of references. I'll send the milk as soon as I've finished milking the cows.

Newly enlightened, you reference LA gamer as having already broken the story with a video about QCS so how is it that you broke the story after he did?

In order to ultimately achieve having their own internet service, without being charged by any outside firm it is likely that it required them to establish contracts with varies entities for both physical cables and the use of land or roads through which they were laid and other costs. No doubt this is very complex as to ownership, who is entitled to use what and who gets to charge who. It would require numerous contracts.

There are going to be various situations that require a business/individual/charity to charge another business.

It may be that the establishment of ownership and use of fibre optics is very complex and contractual arrangements need to be made to deflect costs or even share certain costs rather than being done with the intention of profiting.

It's a bit difficult to make any conclusions without knowing what the contract is for.

In your latest video, one minute you say that Watchtower is selling an Asset to the Government and the next you are saying they are selling a service. Do you actually know what they are selling, if anything or what the contract was for?

I may have missed it but I didn't see anything about how the contract arose and what it is for.

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Watchtower is contracting with Caesar/Satan's World

by Newly Enlightened in

years ago atlantis & us broke the story that qcs telecom was transferred to watchtower.. now qcs telecom has contracts with the ny state thruway authority.. links atlantis provided for us are under the video.

https://youtu.be/psssjfsnm8o.

Listener

Kim/Mike when was it that you originally broke the story about QCS Telecom, I can't find your original video? I imagine it may have been lost when your original Chanel was closed.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Listener

Strange how he's getting mould and damp in the bunker in what is probably the driest and warmest months.

With such grave problems in the bunker, wouldn't he want to fix the basement problems that his young children are living at?

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