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  Anthony Morris responds to Norway's denial of financial aid

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  https://direkte.vg.no/nyhetsdognet/news/jehovas-vitner-nektes-statsstoette.5z-pnao3e?utm_source=share-btn.

  08:20 27.1.kristoffer solberg.

  jehovah's witnesses denied state aid.

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  Thanks for the link avoidjw It's very comprehensive and clearly lays out a timeline.

  The Watchtower has responded in all instances very promptly, that's commendable.
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  Anthony Morris responds to Norway's denial of financial aid

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://direkte.vg.no/nyhetsdognet/news/jehovas-vitner-nektes-statsstoette.5z-pnao3e?utm_source=share-btn.

  08:20 27.1.kristoffer solberg.

  jehovah's witnesses denied state aid.

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  The Watchtower may wish that they never chose to humbly accept the decision from the Norway Government.

  This is some highlights from the International Religious Freedom Report for 2021

  United States Department of State • Office of International Religious Freedom
  

  Faith and life stance organizations must provide annual reports detailing activities, opportunities for children and youth, the use of the state subsidies, marital law administration, and gender equality, as well as any funds received from abroad.

  With so many other problems that the Watchtower causes, gender equality may not be an issue that has been brought to the attention of the Government at this stage.

  If a religious group does not register, it does not receive financial support from the government,

  It's so simple, just like charity status of the Watchtower in Australia. They don't need to register but they choose to do so because it is financially advantageous.

  Public schools include a mandatory course on Christian Knowledge and Religious and Ethical Information (CKREE) for grades one through 10. State-employed instructors teach the CKREE course, which covers world religions and philosophies and promotes tolerance and respect for all religious beliefs, as well as for atheism. Students may not opt out of this course

  I thought JWs would have a problem with this but JW org indicates that this is now okay, this type of religious education is perfectly okay for the minds of young JWs. Their publication -Class Instruction - School and Jehovah's Witnesses distinguishes this education as

  On the other hand, if there is simply an objective classroom study of various religions or of the Bible, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no objection. So if a school arranges talks by representatives of various religions, not to proselytize, but simply to inform the students about those religions, Witness students will respectfully listen. Similarly, when invited, Jehovah’s Witnesses are pleased to give talks to school groups, explaining their religious beliefs.

  Although in Norway it includes instruction on philosophies and the Watchtower has been against learning about human philosophies in the past

  W87 2/1

  Beware of Worldly Philosophies
  Curiosity can harm us, too, if it leads us to investigate worldly philosophies.

  The Watchtower must feel it is perfectly okay for JW children to be taught these.

  A hate crime law punishes some expressions of disrespect for religious believers, which includes those meant to threaten or mock someone, or promote hate, persecution, or contempt.

  This works both ways and the Watchtower is very guilty of some of these.

  According to the law, an animal must be stunned or administered anesthetics before slaughter, making most traditional kosher and halal slaughter practices illegal. Halal and kosher meat may be imported.

  I wonder whether JWs happily purchase Norwegian meat?

  The Jehovah’s Witnesses filed an application for annual state support, having received funding in past years, but by year’s end the County Governor of Oslo and Viken, responsible for reviewing the application, did not announce a determination on the application. The practices of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ were also the subject NORWAY 8 International Religious Freedom Report for 2021 United States Department of State • Office of International Religious Freedom of a high profile legal case in which a former member was not permitted to have contact with her children who remained members of the religious community. The national Court of Appeal ruled that the former member did have the right to have contact with her children. At year’s end, the case was pending before the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear an appeal.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Good pick up as a business man Jeff T. It has the same meaning here in Australia.

  That's exactly what he is doing, just churning the video's out and he well knows it. He seems to have no personal pride in the quality of his work.
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  Two gems from February 2023 Study Watchtower

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  february 2023 study watchtower: .

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  5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!

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  Rattigan - The Watchtower Sept 2012 states that the cry for peace and security was an initial sign.

  "unlike mankind in general, we discern the Scriptural significance of current events. How exactly will this prophecy about saying “Peace and security!” be fulfilled? We must wait and see. Therefore, let us be determined to “stay awake and keep our senses.”​—1 Thess. 5:6; Zeph. 3:8."

  I believe the GB update that said not to look for the sign of peace and security was telling the JWs not to call it themselves but to wait for the GB to do it.

  So the JWs no longer need to keep on the watch, all they need to do is wait for the GB to say the GT has started.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I wonder if his own sexual offence record will include the ages of the girls he was involved with.
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  It is a question. Jesus makes a future judgement determining whether there was a faithful and discreet slave or a wicked one. They are being presumptuous in claiming that Christ has already made that determination and found them to be faithful.
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  Two gems from February 2023 Study Watchtower

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  february 2023 study watchtower: .

  p. 16, par.

  5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!

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  They sure are accepting WHO as a most reliable source but they don't have the guts to admit it.
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  Two gems from February 2023 Study Watchtower

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  february 2023 study watchtower: .

  p. 16, par.

  5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!

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  Their comments about the pictures in this Watchtower are -

  PICTURE DESCRIPTION: (Top) A couple watch the news. Later, after a congregation meeting, they share with others their strong personal opinions about the meaning of news events. (Bottom) A couple watch a Governing Body update in order to stay current with the latest understanding of Bible prophecy. They offer to others Bible-based publications that are provided by the faithful slave.

  With so much restrictions on what JWs are to think and accept as right then the Watchtower should come out and state who is

  the most reliable governmental and medical sources available.”

  
  

  
  
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  Two gems from February 2023 Study Watchtower

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  february 2023 study watchtower: .

  p. 16, par.

  5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!

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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  There's an interesting video on Lloyds channel where he interviews his wife. It's called "Aggressive activism five years on". It was done three years ago.

  At the five minute mark she reflects on her feelings and reaction to ex JWs that we're trying to reach out to her. She completely misunderstands their good intentions and I don't doubt that Lloyd's influence had everything to do with this. It's not human nature for most people to intentionally destroy a marriage.

  Lloyd finds the situation very amusing as she discusses her thoughts and no doubt, is over the moon regarding his wife's naievity.