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Cedars versus Simon

by Calebs Airplane in

if cedars and simon had a debate about how to run a website and lady lee were the moderator, who would win this debate?.

Listener

Yes, no contest. We already had what could be viewed as a debate right here on JWN. Cedars walked away with no further comments to make.

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HOT OFF THE PRESS: ZO talk in Japan

by WinstonSmith in

this is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.. we have a friend from nz (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in japan at the moment.

today there was a zone overseer talk that he went to in nagoya (southern japan) and it has just finished up.

straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below.

Listener

"Are there Apostates in Japan?"

Possible Sans posts here and is Japanese. I think he/she translates their posts from Japanese into english.

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"The Truth Changes" with the text from the "Simplified" Edition WT

by Doug Mason in

the text i used in my analysis, "the truth changes: watchtower july 15, 2013" comes from the "study" edition of that magazine.. it is still available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/the_truth_changes.pdf.

i have now used the text from the "simplified" edition, and it is available at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/the_truth_changes_in_the_simplified_watchtower.pdf.

Listener

Watchtower 12 1/15 has this to say regarding the anointed on earth and their role

Where would those in the new covenant serve? On earth, where, as a group, they would serve as a priesthood, representing Jehovah to people by ‘declaring abroad his excellencies’ and providing spiritual food. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Pet. 2:4, 5) After their death and resurrection, they would serve with Christ in heaven as both kings and priests , fully carrying out the functions of both offices. (Luke 22:29; 1 Pet. 1:3-5; Rev. 1:6)

It would appear that the the majority of anointed on earth are a part of the priesthood whose only role is to spread the good news but it makes no sense as the other sheep also have this role.

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New understanding of the GB/FDS

by Awakened at Gilead in

jw
friends

hahahaha!!!

i predicted this 4 years ago!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyjca1-q60.

Listener

Well done, you were right to question the teaching back then, time has shown they were preaching falsely back then. The problem is that the new teaching is even more questionable.

I enjoy your video's and find you clear and direct with your presentations, you have all the makings of an excellant teacher.

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CO talk at SAD appl. of 2 Thess. 1:8 & other mind control tactics

by Kensho in

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now that i am really "awake" at the assemblies i pay more attention to what the borg's traveling enforcers say and the talk he gave was some "new light" on 2 thess.

1:8 (probably his opinion).

paraphrased " there is a thinking that has crept in somehow in the minds of some brothers over the years that because jehovah is a merciful &loving god he will not destroy those who have not been reached with the good news in different parts of the world or my family or bible studies need just a little more time, well they need to read this script.. .

Listener

"because the GB tells me to report my time!"

That was quick. It was only a matter of time before they used they're newly created interpretation of the FDS to weild their power.

No doubt they believe that as they are the only ones who have ever been appointed as the FDS (from 1919) there is no precedent set by any biblical character/s as to how they are to carry out their governing. But they conveniantly forget that they have only approved themselves to carry out spiritual feeding, nothing more.

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Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

by BU2B in

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friends

i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

"decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

Listener

Good on you Sahs for making that comment at the Watchtower study, no doubt it went over a many people's heads.

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The Truth Changes: Watchtower of July 15, 2013

by Doug Mason in

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Listener

Eden one

"I find really strange that the GB presents the understanding of the start of the 'Great Tribulation' being a future event as "new light", when the "old light" it supposedly replaces has alreaby been abandoned for well over 40 years and the understanding of the start of the "Great Tribulation" as a future event has been around for decades already."

It is strange and makes reading their articles all the more difficult. It has to be deliberate and it is probably to stop the flow of free thought. I think they've done a similar thing with the idea of when the bible is talking about Christ's presence as opposed to his coming.

How is a JW able to understand the 'deeper spiritual things' if they've got to go back over old teachings and work out how the new changes differ and on what basis.

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The Truth Changes: Watchtower of July 15, 2013

by Doug Mason in

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Listener

Great work Doug.

You made this statement

"The GB has now expanded the "domestics" to include the "great crowd" class. This further diminishes any uniqueness of those claiming to be of the anointed (those who plan to rule earth from the government in heaven). This is the only mention of the "great crowd" in this magazine. They do not appear in the diagrams at pages 4-5 or 10-11. "

The moving of the other sheep from being identified as part of Christ's belongings to now being part of the domestics within the household is a big change but you've pointed out that they only mention them once in this article. It would seem that they are going to make future changes in their understanding here as well.

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The Truth Changes: Watchtower of July 15, 2013

by Doug Mason in

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Listener

Thanks Doug, you've put a lot of work into that, I'm looking forward to reading it.

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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!

by Sic Semper Tyrannis in

i am an inactive jw.

i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.

i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.

Listener

Venetian said -

"A number of posters on here need to climb off the AAWA-wrecker ball bandwagon (and that includes you simon) and think rationally"

You're now claiming Simon is on the AAWA-wrecker ball bandwagon. You're just stirring the pot and it's not nice. Simon is trying to do the right thing here and he has done an excellant job. How about showing some respect for him? This is his forum!!!!!