a friend of mine just got given a recording of the last ca which was held here a couple of weeks ago and she said there's been a change to the 144k teaching.
she didn't understand what the hell they were rabbiting on about.
she's really waking up as a result of all these changes, and so are some others she knows.. anyone know of any change to the 144k doctrine?
It may be this in the July 15, 2013
Watchtower Paragraph 8:
[2] One of the events mentioned in these verses is the ‘gathering of the chosen ones.’ (Matt. 24:31) Hence, it appears that all anointed ones who still remain on earth after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed will at some point be raised to heaven before the outbreak of the battle of Armageddon. This adjusts what was stated on this subject in “Questions From Readers” in The Watchtower of August 15, 1990, page 30.
yet another secretly recorded judicial committee hearing...the hero of this story is rachel... this brave and funny kiwi lady stands up to the local elders and goes through this scary situation with grace and logic and so much class!.
bravo to her husband who comes along to support her and her goal is to awaken and perhaps reach the hearts of these men that are poised to spiritually execute her.
this goes right against the false label applied to so-called apostates by the wt society that they are insincere, slanderous people out to hurt the faith of others.. listen to the story unfold as rachel boldly shares her research and her conscience with these men.
The conversation with the elder after the JC was the most interesting and I've tried to transcribe it (but it's not accurate) -
After discussing the idea that the judgement of people will occur at Armageddon in such difficult times, whereas it is a different situation for people who have already died, this was stated
Rachel “It doesn’t make sense that Jehovah would do it like that”
Elder “Well that’s what we hope for ..a judgement different like that”
Rachel “And I know you don’t believe that either”
Elder “Well I really look for Jehovah’s judgement, the way he’s done it in the past, hope for that, but I mean I can’t teach that simply because it is not what the Faithful Slave are saying and their, ar.. decision if you like, is perharps with the idea that we’re conscious of giving the wrong direction and if they were wrong with something like that it would have a devastating affect”
Rachel “It’s a real burden on us though, for me..”
Elder “Well no, no it’s
Rachel “It’s the carry around on you, with this belief”
Elder “Hatred for people, that sort of thing, or
Rachel “No a feeling that like I tried to tell you in my letter that it’s been very difficult for me to even enjoy life without feeling guilty about enjoying life and I’ve been a non participant in life and a non participant in my marriage because how dare I enjoy these things while all these people here need to come and be baptized as witnesses otherwise they would be chopped
Elder "But realize that the influence of the angels is there directly that they are there to help us and back us up , if we ? someone, ultimately"
Rachel “all us account on that but when I do the maths you know why in our country are so few coming in within the developing world they are flocking in, is it because we are more inherintley wicked here, is it because of our higher standard in education or it might be that people have more information that they know all this science is coming in on their minds and there is more barriers “
all of the gb members are dumb.
so which one is the dumbest?
i'm going with either losch or morris.
Thanks for the responses Julia, I've sent you a PM.
all of the gb members are dumb.
so which one is the dumbest?
i'm going with either losch or morris.
That would have been interesting Julia and I believe the country is nice to visit. That's not the guy that you descibe, but would be hard to pick with so many Aussies there, even though he loves to be the centre of attention (he's in his early 50s, dark hair/greying and balding and more on the roundish side).
I can understand why you would have thought about special pioneering there. We've been travelling to a few Asian countries and the people are so happy and friendlty
all of the gb members are dumb.
so which one is the dumbest?
i'm going with either losch or morris.
Julia, what were you doing in Myanmar? I know an elder who is special pioneering there with his wife, he may have presented some of the talks at that assembly you attended.
so it used to be that all dramas were ot.
period, that was it.. then they started incorporating a "modern day" application of the ot drama where actors in the present day reflected on the story.. then they started using some highly fictionalized nt characters in dramas (never jesus of course).
in the past few years we've been getting more "modern dramas", just about people in the present dealing with their "problems".
It was strange hearing them discuss the legendary beauty of Karenhappuch (Job's daughter) at the end of the video and she mentioned that she pointed out her other sisters who were beautiful. She also pointed out her brothers. In the past they have taught that those resurrected would be neither female or male. So much for even basing their drama's on their teachings but that even a person's beauty would be noted in the new system.
coming off from my thread on the great crowd, (once again thanks td, annomaly and all the others for their help), a question on the other sheep in the 33ce - 1935 ce for the great jwn mind hive.. the qfr in the w86 8/1 p31 ends up with confirming about the other sheep pre-33ce:.
someone might reason: jesus was pointing to a future gathering of other sheep, hence the term applies only to those who, after jesus spoke, would accept the biblical hope of everlasting life on earth.
however, it seems unnecessary to confine the term thusly, as if jesus were defining matters chronologically or sequentially.
Wizzstick, your research on this is proving really worthwhile.
According to the WT those faithful men of old (pre 33CE) have the earthly hope of resurrection. This makes them of the same class as the other sheep yet Jesus said he was still to gather the other sheep, it makes no sense.
so it used to be that all dramas were ot.
period, that was it.. then they started incorporating a "modern day" application of the ot drama where actors in the present day reflected on the story.. then they started using some highly fictionalized nt characters in dramas (never jesus of course).
in the past few years we've been getting more "modern dramas", just about people in the present dealing with their "problems".
Seeing into to the future and depicting events yet to occur would officially make them prophets.
"even many who claim to be religious feel that they are at liberty to do what they think is right, without any obligation to obey god and his commandments.
(ps.
14:1) this attitude may pose a real threat to true christians.
The picture that they included (re comparisons) about music was so wrong. On the left hand side they had hip hop playing on a mobile (bad) on the right side was violin music (good). They demonstrate how out of touch they are as well as being overly judgemental on matters that should not concern them.
so my mum excitedly calls and tells me how the brothers are now told to pack a survival emergency bag, so the tribulation is coming!!!
talk about clutching at straws.
shes packed her bible of course and the some non essential stuff like food...he he.
There is a comment made in relation to this in the September, 2013 wt which I quoted elsewhere, it states
11 In addition to helping us stay awake spiritually, the directions that we have received help us with matters of everyday life. Examples include maintaining a balanced view of material things and keeping a simple eye in order to reduce anxiety. We have also benefited from guidance regarding our dress and grooming, choosing wholesome entertainment, and deciding on the appropriate amount of education. And think of the safety reminders we have received as to our homes, automobiles, Kingdom Halls, and preparing for possible emergencies. Such counsel shows that God cares about our well-being.
