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Early Morning Informal Witnessing, Yay!!

by kairos in

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how many of us would get up and "start your time" by 6:00am or earlier?.

i sure did my fair share and convinced many others to join me semi-regularly.. we'd stand out in front of "somewhere/something", you remember?.

donut shop, 7-11, liquor store ( genius ), driving to laundry rooms or coin-op's, etc... anyway, this past sunday i was pumping fuel for the long trip home early in the morning out of l.a. to norcal, when i spotted a young, energetic version of myself 20 years ago.

Listener

Kairos, was that a keying error, was it really 6 hours? I'm interested to know what kind of impression you may have left him with. Your wife is so patient, you are a lucky man. I also wonder why she didn't hop out of the car and come and join you but I think I know why and it would seem that she really does know TTATT.

Thanks for sharing.

I stopped and talked to a JW elder in a Hong Kong Mall earlier this year. We had a great discussion and he was interested in listening and naturally added his reasoning on matters. He wanted my phone number in the end so I gave him my email address but he still has not emailed.

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The Way, a way of reason that generates a way of Life

by Traveler in

i'm looking for those who have found the path/way of reason.

i include a few notes to those i have approached so far.

these past attempts seem too slow.

Listener

I am wondering what your motives are for wanting to find another 'traveller"? I assume it is because you acknowledge you don't have all the answers and want to share ideas with another like minded person.

If you have found the right path then why aren't you trying to share it with as many as you can? I assume that is because if you found this path on your own (that is, without the knowledge shared by other humans) then it is not something another person can learn from another human being. Therefore it makes my first comment pretty pointless because you are not going to learn from a like minded person. If it is God who has enlightened you then surely he will keep you on the right path and share with you as much as you need to know.

What you have really done is learn from the Watchtower to a degree that you feel ready to accept, that is why you don't want to take them down, they served you a purpose and you think they may do the same for others. You've chosen to move onto a different path because you don't agree with everything they are teaching. This makes them false teachers and they are misleading millions. Why you would not want to take them down even though you believe you have secret knowledge that would enable you to do it easily. Would God really sanction an organization that allows 8 million people to be blinded for the sake of enabling a dozen or so to find the right path? Would God make it that difficult?

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Using Third-World Poverty-Stricken Witnesses To Guilt More Donations Video, Where is that Video?

by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

i heard about a new video where the watchtower has a single mother and her child eating millet or rice with almost no material possessions worried about donating to the world wide work.

now most religions are trying to donate to third-world countries, not the watchtower profit enterprise, they are willing to take a families last milk cow so their leaders can spend those funds fighting pedophile lawsuits!.

every place the watchtower builds you read about the angry citizens having to pick up their tax bills because the watchtower only takes!

Listener

The video the OP mentioned speaks for itself. The widow/fatherless woman fed her growing children rice only at the start of the movie. After being visited by two elders whom she told how she was struggling financially the only help they gave her was so called spiritual food. The family are shown at the end eating only rice. Children need more than that and the woman was given no financial assistance, in total disregard of Christian duties.

It looks like the GB have been on their Xmas holiday break, the January video is still not up.

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Using Third-World Poverty-Stricken Witnesses To Guilt More Donations Video, Where is that Video?

by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

i heard about a new video where the watchtower has a single mother and her child eating millet or rice with almost no material possessions worried about donating to the world wide work.

now most religions are trying to donate to third-world countries, not the watchtower profit enterprise, they are willing to take a families last milk cow so their leaders can spend those funds fighting pedophile lawsuits!.

every place the watchtower builds you read about the angry citizens having to pick up their tax bills because the watchtower only takes!

Listener

The video was the December TV org video.

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Video discussing Watchtower 03/15 articles

by Listener in

for those interested, winston from youtube who goes by the username of watchtower examination has recently completed a video discussing the march 15 2015 watchtower.. it is a long video but he has so many interesting and unique comments.

he is a real gifted man with and the most amazing thing is that he has never been a jw but is deeply concerned about their teachings.

he hopes to wake up his jw brother and other jws.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=red3cnxhyga.

Listener

For those interested, Winston from Youtube who goes by the username of Watchtower Examination has recently completed a video discussing the March 15 2015 Watchtower.

It is a long video but he has so many interesting and unique comments. He is a real gifted man with and the most amazing thing is that he has never been a JW but is deeply concerned about their teachings. He hopes to wake up his JW brother and other JWs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=red3CNxHYgA

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research impossible

by sowhatnow in

so, now that nearly all of the past knowledge that jw's has had is slowly being deleted, how does anyone do any research on any subject?.

meetings are pretty boring as it is, all they do is parrot the society's writings.. how is this going to work?

i have to wonder , what point is the service meeting , once you know how to walk up to a door and hand someone a magazine.

Listener

Goingthruthemotions, we don't really know what they are saying because they keep contradicting themselves. For instance, they say that they have dropped the idea of using types and antitypes unless it is clear from scripture that they should apply it, however even their date of 1914 is based on antitypes and they're sticking by that idea.

Just look at the confusion in the recent thread about when the FDS was appointed, they say 1919 but this is also based on some antitype determination and they just aren't specific about how they get that date. They are really being obscure in their recent new light so it appears that in some ways they want the sheepies to think that these dates are built on a solid basis but they aren't substantiating how they got those dates.

So it seems that it is pointless to research because we have no idea if they still believe what they taught in any particular teaching.

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research impossible

by sowhatnow in

so, now that nearly all of the past knowledge that jw's has had is slowly being deleted, how does anyone do any research on any subject?.

meetings are pretty boring as it is, all they do is parrot the society's writings.. how is this going to work?

i have to wonder , what point is the service meeting , once you know how to walk up to a door and hand someone a magazine.

Listener

The only way to see them would be in our library headquarters in Brooklyn NY. And at that they are not open to the public.

The elder wasn't honest, at least he could have said that the publications are no longer officially available to the public.

I was thinking the same thing myself, sowhatnow. And it's not only a problem that research now is impossible but their new ideas are not logical, make no sense and so loosely based on the bible that it's hard to make any JW see sense.

With this March 2015 Watchtower it makes a lot of their past publications questionable. Their parables are now being simplified and just about all the secondary fulfillments/anti-types are out the door. This means that we don't know what from the past they will be retaining. The end result means that the dubbies can only rely on all current publications. This has to be their intended result and makes our job more difficult. Any time we bring up anything from the past they will ignore it.

We need a new strategy.

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smiddy has changed his Avatar

by smiddy in

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friends

a new site so i decided i needed a new look also, like so many others have done.. smiddy .

Listener

Very cute.

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A possible way for the Watch Tower to generate revenue via their website.

by adjusted knowledge in

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friends

earlier in the week someone posted the potential value of the jw website based on visits and if they used advertisements.

many stated they would never do that but i propose they could.. besides their real estate profit making business model, they have the conventions as cash generating machines.

they give directions to their members to which hotels/motels to use.

Listener

I wonder if they get any revenue from that.

At the very least there would be some sort of 'arrangement'. After all, there is a monopoly here with a potential audience of over 8 million people. You don't just go putting up a clickable commercial company logo belonging to another business on an otherwise ad free website for no reason.

From what I can see, you need to buy a Roku product which will then allow you to plug it into your TV. This will then allow you to watch the JW TV video's on your TV. This is a great promotion for Roku.

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Notice this Contradiction on How Jehovah's Witnesses View Marriage

by flipper in

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in the new book released at the witnesses assemblies this year , " keep yourselves in god's love " notice this bit of counsel given on possible separations in marriage .

it says on pg.

221 , " absolute endangerment of spiritual life.

Listener

I didn't read through the whole thread but found it interesting how some felt there was no contradiction when there is a clear contradiction.

nder the subheading : Do Jehovah's Witnesses encourage their members to separate from a marriage mate who is not a Witness ? It states : " No.

The org. loves to mention the scripture that states to let your yes mean yes and your no, no. There is a clear 'no' in the answer to their question yet the truthful answer would be to say - 'There are times when the JWs do encourage a member to seperate from a non witness ....