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Fun with Caleb and Sophia.

by ToesUp in

this photo was on a pro jw website!

unbelievable!!!.

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Listener

Here kiddy kiddy, would you like one of these?

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Commentary on Geoffrey Jackson's RC testimony

by Listener in

one of my favourite youtubers, winston from jamaca (watchtower examination) has provided some feedback from jacko's testimony at the victorian royal commission.

he examines only part of the testimony and brings up some interesting points.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xzivv0q8s.

Wasanelder Once your point is taken so I will list out his main points for those that don't want to listen to the whole video because he raises some points that have not already been mentioned on this forum.

RC asks Jackson if they are Jesus disciples or equivalent. Jackson states that they certainly hope to follow Jesus in being his disciples.

Winston explains that unlike other religions it is only the anointed who claim to be Jesus' disciples, only they are Christi's brothers and the other sheep have to submit to them and it is only by their support of the anointed that they can hope to have salvation. In this way they are going beyond just hoping that they are his disciples because the lives of the r&f depend on it. Contrary to Jacksons comments the majority of JWs do not humbly hope that they are being Christ's disciples,

Jackson makes the claim that as per Mathew 24 there would be an FDS in the last days and he sees themselves as trying to humbly fulfil that role.

Winston again points out that the claim that they are hoping to fill that role is misleading. They don't see themselves as merely trying to fulfil the role of fds. Rather it is an appointment made by Jesus himself in 1919 after doing an inspection of all other religions and all JWs believe that this appointment was made. He likens Jackson's words to being like a wolf in sheeps clothing, appearing humble rather than the 'pious, puffed up, conceited attitude present by the GB in its view of being that slave. Rather than viewing themselves as hoping to fulfil that role there are countless incidents where they boast of fulfilling that role. He provides publications in which they have done so.

RC - Do you see yourselves as God's spokespeople? Jackso's reply - that would seem to be quite persumptious to say that we were the only spokesperson that God is using.

Winston's take on this is that all JWs see themselves as being the only organization that God is using, God's one and only channel and the only ones with any hope of being saved. Therefore he wasn't referring to other religions he was referring to other's in the congregation however he only attributed them as having the ability to help and comfort others. But giving help and comfort to others is not tantamount to being God's spokesperson.. Any other JW who claimed that they were God's spokesperson and brought a different understanding to the congregation than that taught by the FDS would be disfellowshipped. Not even a GB member who became conscience stricken because of the teachings could dare to speak out without being disfellowshipped as seen in the case of Ray Franz. Anyone who disagrees with doctrine must wait on Jehovah.

Winston states that Jackson is fully aware of the fact that they would not even consider the notion of there being other spokespersons in the congregation. Therefore he lied in suggesting that there may be others in the congregation who are spokespersons and at best they could only be spokespersons for the GB.

Regarding the claim by Jackson that there would be a FDS appointed in the last days as per Matt 24 Winston states this is a lie and the scriptures do not state this but appreciates that it is beyond the Commission to argue scripture. Jackson also points out the belief of two groups, one with a heavenly and another with an earthly and again he is lying. These points are easily verifiable by just reading the quotes he cites from the bible.

Then Jackson makes the claim that he was appointed onto the GB because of his spiritual qualifications.

RC - Do you see yourselves as being appointed by Jehovah God or under his capacity? Jackson - What we see ourselves as is fellow workers with our Brothers and Sisters We have been given a responsibility to be Guardians of our Doctrine. Just as elders have been referred to being appointed by HS .. meaning being in harmony with what the bible says or is required by an elder...it is the same for a GB member.

Winston points out that Jackson is suggesting that their level of appointment (GB) by HS is on par with that of elders who may not even be anointed. However, this is how they really view themselves

W 67 Oct 1 "Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility as serving as his sole visible channel, through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come"

They do not even see themselves as fellow workers with the others but they are masters, they are leaders whom 'the other sheep symbolically walk behind the anointed slave class and its GB following their lead' W 2007 4/1

Winston points out the Jackson was a member of the GB and the writing committee when that was published. Then they also talk about others as being helpers, not fellow workers but helpers working with the GB.

Jws are taught that they cannot understand the bible without the FDS and they have to be in humble submission. This isn't a situation where they are all fellow workers.

The humble lamb like picture that Jackson presented brings to mind the lamb like beast spoken of Rev 13. It is clear that the GB is quite pious about its appointment as both the FDS and the only channel that God is using and has no problem in establishing this in their publications. But when it comes to presenting himself before the public he is trying to cover up his true attitude and as such is part of the organizations DNA. They did the same when a whistleblower identified them as being associated with the UN, they lied and said it was simply to gain access to the UN library. They did the same in Mexico where they lied in saying they were not a religion but a culture and elected not to use the bible or prayer in meetings and that their baptisms were not religious but cultural. All this was done simply to retain ownership of property. For real estate purposes the organization was prepared to cover up its identity.

In his final comments Winston states that if Mr Jackson, under oath would seek to cover up something of which it often boasts, something that is of public knowledge, prevalent in their publications, can he be trusted to be forthcoming about matters than are not known publicly, matters or grave embarrassment, inside secrets? An example would be about victims being disfellowshipped for one reason or another.

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Commentary on Geoffrey Jackson's RC testimony

by Listener in

one of my favourite youtubers, winston from jamaca (watchtower examination) has provided some feedback from jacko's testimony at the victorian royal commission.

he examines only part of the testimony and brings up some interesting points.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xzivv0q8s.

Listener

One of my favourite Youtubers, Winston from Jamaca (Watchtower Examination) has provided some feedback from Jacko's testimony at the Victorian Royal Commission. He examines only part of the testimony and brings up some interesting points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-XZivv0q8s

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Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com

by Gilgamesh in

(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).

i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.

so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).

Listener

Russia banned the official jw org website, I guess they are unaware of all these other sites.

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New convention theme

by StarTrekAngel in

just wanted to post here real quick, as many have joked about it.

we had an announcement in our cong last week about the upcoming one day assembly.

the title of the assembly is "imitate jehovah".

Listener

The next assembly after that will be imitate Jesus and Jehovah. ;)

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Sister attendants not able to give directions to a brother..Misogyny

by Theburstbubble in

at our recent rc i was advised by a sister who was an attendant that they have been advised not to be able to give brothers directions as this should be dealt with by the brothers.

apparently at the pre-convention attendants meeting, the sisters were asked to stay behind.

this was when they were given the news that the brothers should deal with brothers.

Listener

Don't they have Sisters who are nurses manning the first aid stations at assemblies. Does that mean she can't tell a male who's cut himself that he needs to roll up his sleeve and lean his arm on the table?

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Brother who works on JW Broadcasting gave a 20 minute talk, said something big is coming next month.

by wifibandit in

via /r/exjw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7vhu8l88k.

Listener

The speaker says that there are other things regarding video that are going to blow people's minds and mentions an announcement possibly in September.

Looking at the JW org site regarding online help for JW streamlining there is mention regarding Apple TV and the question is asked "Can I use Apple TV to see videos on my TV?" This is the answer given

We do not currently have an Apple TV channel. However, if you have a computer, tablet, or smartphone that supports AirPlay, you can use AirPlay to connect to your Apple TV and see videos on your TV. Consult the documentation for your device and your Apple TV to learn how to set this up.

It would suggest that they have been considering an Apple TV channel and anticipate having it in the future.

A google search shows that Apple is in the process of upgrading their TV streaming service and it looks like September is the month in which it is anticipated. To coincide with this is a new set top box and remote. Apple has been negotiating with broadcasters making available more content on their server.

Geoffrey Jackson will be able to use his watch to connect his TV to the service

A report from 9to5Mac says that, in addition to a redesigned remote, the Apple Watch will be able to control the redesigned Apple TV as "a primary input device." That stands to reason since the Apple Watch also serves as a remote for the current Apple TV. 9to5 Mac also backs the notion that the next-generation Apple TV will have Siri integration and support for third-party apps, with a TVKit feature in Xcode allowing developers to build apps for the Apple TV.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/apple-streaming-tv-rumors,news-20685.html

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Paul Grundy

by Lozza Aussie in

jw
friends

hi all, been a while since i posted here.

i am in australia and heard paul grundy being interviewed by someone on abc radio in sydney.

it was good to put a voice to the guy on jw facts.

Listener

It will be interesting to see if your website gets an increase in visitors Paul.

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Brother who works on JW Broadcasting gave a 20 minute talk, said something big is coming next month.

by wifibandit in

via /r/exjw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7vhu8l88k.

Listener

He mentioned a couple of times how he wakes up in the middle of the night worrying about some aspect, he must be under a lot of pressure. He also mentioned how he was up at 12.30 that morning. This is not very helathy and demonstrates a lack in being able to manage his time well. There is no need to have these Bethel workers put under these sorts of pressure and could not be viewed as an ideal situation.

There are some benefits in being busy but if it is not kept in check on a reasonable level it can put a strain on the family arrangement or on clear thinking.

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Paul Grundy being interviewed on ABC 612 right now

by Anonymous1 in

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/stations/local_brisbane/live?play=true

Listener

Great interview Paul.