per ohmyjw over at r/exjw:.
i assume that other countries also got this letter to boe dated 1st september 2015 about sending additional information along with s-10 form (annual cong.
report).
This is a manipulative way to make Elders try to find out why a person is fading. They are going to look a bit silly to put the reason for a person being inactive as 'I don't know". It's also encouraging the Elders to make guesses and basically amounts to gossip.
Next they will want to know why people aren't donating but I guess it goes hand in hand. If their inactive, they're not going to be donating.
mrs. eden is laying here by my side reading the forum latest posts with me and asked me to send you all her warmest regards.
more to follow soon.... .
eden
this may sound insane but i literally have blood on my hands as i have just come home from a counselling session that went wrong...i wanted to collate all that has happened and record it...hospital policy is against it.
i said "what am i alive for then if not to tell the truth" she tut tutted and i walked out sadly in despair.. when i got to the ground floor there was a young girl screaming her head off.
she was afraid, that is all she was...........afraid.
Umbertoecho you have just been through something that is very traumatic and it is having a very huge affect on you which may be very helpful but you have been going through a very very tough time yourself. Could you please ask for another counselling session straight away. You need to talk this out with a professional and the person who has already been talking to you (although probably not the one who tut tutted you today).
I think you are going through some very strong emotions and they will change as the trauma of this situation 'hits' you more. Talking to someone now will help you work through these emotions and let you decide that the steps you feel you want to take now that are in your best interest and what you are sure you want to do.
As much as this has been a horrible thing to happen to the girl you were able to help, we care very much for you too and don't want to see you make decisions that you may later regret.
unprecedented show of military cooperation: .
rt witnesses russian-chinese naval drills as russia and china were staging their biggest joint maritime exercises in the history, rt correspondent daniel bushell was aboard the russian flagship to take the action in first hand.
chinese and russian commanders coordinating the drills, which have been dubbed joint sea 2015 ii, described it as anunprecedented show of military cooperation, according to bushell.
It is the sort of thing the jws would get excited about.
Time will tell if I should be frightened about it.
unprecedented show of military cooperation: .
rt witnesses russian-chinese naval drills as russia and china were staging their biggest joint maritime exercises in the history, rt correspondent daniel bushell was aboard the russian flagship to take the action in first hand.
chinese and russian commanders coordinating the drills, which have been dubbed joint sea 2015 ii, described it as anunprecedented show of military cooperation, according to bushell.
blondies highlights from the 08 29-2015 wt study (june 15, 2015), pages (20-25) .
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
bible translations www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible .
Their idea that only the annointed can refer to God as father in the truest sense is shocking.
Thanks for the review blondie.
my sister said she heard several "mis truths" or dare we say, "lies" said by the brothers on the stand during the royal commission.. 1) vin toole lied when asked about the expression "theocratic warfare".
he said he was unaware of the term.
2) terry obrien lied when asked whether witnesses are free to research the organisation or free to leave without any negative consequences.. 3) geoff jackson lied when he said that the organisation doesn't run a 'police state' and doesn't criticise those who want to leave.
the target is converts.. why does it seem such an outrageous aim for a congregation to recruit new converts?.
in my old congregation, the enthusiasm was there but the knocking on doors produced zero " baptisms" in my final years.. a) why so little interests?.
b) was it the internet ?.
The whole process is just weird.
First a cold call then return visits then hours in bible study then they're ready for the Kingdom Hall meeting on a Sunday, then witnessing, more study and over 100 questions before they're ready for baptism.
Why isn't it possible just to invite persons to meetings? It would scare most people off without the in-depth indoctrination process, they wouldn't understand a word being spoken.
one of my favourite youtubers, winston from jamaca (watchtower examination) has provided some feedback from jacko's testimony at the victorian royal commission.
he examines only part of the testimony and brings up some interesting points.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xzivv0q8s.
Wasanelder Once your point is taken so I will list out his main points for those that don't want to listen to the whole video because he raises some points that have not already been mentioned on this forum.
RC asks Jackson if they are Jesus disciples or equivalent. Jackson states that they certainly hope to follow Jesus in being his disciples.
Winston explains that unlike other religions it is only the anointed who claim to be Jesus' disciples, only they are Christi's brothers and the other sheep have to submit to them and it is only by their support of the anointed that they can hope to have salvation. In this way they are going beyond just hoping that they are his disciples because the lives of the r&f depend on it. Contrary to Jacksons comments the majority of JWs do not humbly hope that they are being Christ's disciples,
Jackson makes the claim that as per Mathew 24 there would be an FDS in the last days and he sees themselves as trying to humbly fulfil that role.
Winston again points out that the claim that they are hoping to fill that role is misleading. They don't see themselves as merely trying to fulfil the role of fds. Rather it is an appointment made by Jesus himself in 1919 after doing an inspection of all other religions and all JWs believe that this appointment was made. He likens Jackson's words to being like a wolf in sheeps clothing, appearing humble rather than the 'pious, puffed up, conceited attitude present by the GB in its view of being that slave. Rather than viewing themselves as hoping to fulfil that role there are countless incidents where they boast of fulfilling that role. He provides publications in which they have done so.
RC - Do you see yourselves as God's spokespeople? Jackso's reply - that would seem to be quite persumptious to say that we were the only spokesperson that God is using.
Winston's take on this is that all JWs see themselves as being the only organization that God is using, God's one and only channel and the only ones with any hope of being saved. Therefore he wasn't referring to other religions he was referring to other's in the congregation however he only attributed them as having the ability to help and comfort others. But giving help and comfort to others is not tantamount to being God's spokesperson.. Any other JW who claimed that they were God's spokesperson and brought a different understanding to the congregation than that taught by the FDS would be disfellowshipped. Not even a GB member who became conscience stricken because of the teachings could dare to speak out without being disfellowshipped as seen in the case of Ray Franz. Anyone who disagrees with doctrine must wait on Jehovah.
Winston states that Jackson is fully aware of the fact that they would not even consider the notion of there being other spokespersons in the congregation. Therefore he lied in suggesting that there may be others in the congregation who are spokespersons and at best they could only be spokespersons for the GB.
Regarding the claim by Jackson that there would be a FDS appointed in the last days as per Matt 24 Winston states this is a lie and the scriptures do not state this but appreciates that it is beyond the Commission to argue scripture. Jackson also points out the belief of two groups, one with a heavenly and another with an earthly and again he is lying. These points are easily verifiable by just reading the quotes he cites from the bible.
Then Jackson makes the claim that he was appointed onto the GB because of his spiritual qualifications.
RC - Do you see yourselves as being appointed by Jehovah God or under his capacity? Jackson - What we see ourselves as is fellow workers with our Brothers and Sisters We have been given a responsibility to be Guardians of our Doctrine. Just as elders have been referred to being appointed by HS .. meaning being in harmony with what the bible says or is required by an elder...it is the same for a GB member.
Winston points out that Jackson is suggesting that their level of appointment (GB) by HS is on par with that of elders who may not even be anointed. However, this is how they really view themselves
W 67 Oct 1 "Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility as serving as his sole visible channel, through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come"
They do not even see themselves as fellow workers with the others but they are masters, they are leaders whom 'the other sheep symbolically walk behind the anointed slave class and its GB following their lead' W 2007 4/1
Winston points out the Jackson was a member of the GB and the writing committee when that was published. Then they also talk about others as being helpers, not fellow workers but helpers working with the GB.
Jws are taught that they cannot understand the bible without the FDS and they have to be in humble submission. This isn't a situation where they are all fellow workers.
The humble lamb like picture that Jackson presented brings to mind the lamb like beast spoken of Rev 13. It is clear that the GB is quite pious about its appointment as both the FDS and the only channel that God is using and has no problem in establishing this in their publications. But when it comes to presenting himself before the public he is trying to cover up his true attitude and as such is part of the organizations DNA. They did the same when a whistleblower identified them as being associated with the UN, they lied and said it was simply to gain access to the UN library. They did the same in Mexico where they lied in saying they were not a religion but a culture and elected not to use the bible or prayer in meetings and that their baptisms were not religious but cultural. All this was done simply to retain ownership of property. For real estate purposes the organization was prepared to cover up its identity.
In his final comments Winston states that if Mr Jackson, under oath would seek to cover up something of which it often boasts, something that is of public knowledge, prevalent in their publications, can he be trusted to be forthcoming about matters than are not known publicly, matters or grave embarrassment, inside secrets? An example would be about victims being disfellowshipped for one reason or another.
