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A cracking good JC! This is how it's done, folks.

by Island Man in

in this jc the couple accused of apostasy, lay down some inconvenient and incontestable truths about the organization's teachings that leave the elders speechless - as far as them mustering any efforts to refute them.

oh and by the way, do you remember what geoffrey jackson said at the australian royal commission when he was asked about an inactive jw being called to account if the elders stopped by and find him celebrating the holiday?

don't worry if you've forgotten because the couple mentions it to the elders, you know, seeing as it's the very same reason why they're being accused of apostasy, thus proving geoffrey jackson's statements to be false!.

Listener

I doubt they have left them alone because this tape is now 'out there'.

They don't have any choice but to df if they are following their own instructions. Firstly, the couple admitted to celebrating Xmas and they were not repentant. Secondly, even though they said they have not been talking to any other Bros and sisters, they have been talking to each other. The couple are clear about this when they say they are in agreement with each other.

It's amazing to see that the elders need more time to think about the situation, it's a clearcut decision but they have been so influenced by Dan and Anna that they can't see this. They are seeing ttatt without realising it.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Listener

Anders Anderson - And yes, I was ashamed of taken the WWW donation money. I was like 14 at the time. It was a really small amount, and I added it to my regular donations years later. Looking back, I should have kept all of it

I was really puzzled by your post, I looked through your earlier posts and think you sound like an honest person and also a dedicated JW when you were in.

I thought that No. 2 was a lie because of keeping the donated money, we've had a discussion on that here before and it is not something that many people would have done. Overstating time records yes but not stealing money. I am not in the least surprised that you paid it back. When we are young we probably test the boundaries more and are more daring.

I thought maybe you were probably influenced by your Brother to a large extent. Would that be true?

Anyway, it really shows why kids and teenagers should not be baptized, it is wrong. They will do things that a more mature person wouldn't, they are still learning and developing. This is probably the biggest reason why Courts deal differently with minors. They are seen to be less culpable. For baptized JW kids, the guilt for doing relatively normal things must play on them greatly. They are too young to fully understand why and why they do not do certain things.

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Fishing and JW's???

by lurkernomore in

so i was just reading a thread and came across a completely new jw 'rule', that of not being allowed to go fishing!..

at least it's new to me as i always enjoyed fishing as did others in my old congregation.

anyone else heard of this or had this imposed on them in they're jw lives?.

Listener

Thanks to WiFi Bandit I've now got access to the W Library

W 1950 5/15

On the other hand, there are some things that are lawful or unlawful depending upon the purpose. Hunting and fishing, when done solely for sport, are condemned by the Scriptures. It is selfish and wicked to deprive a creature of life merely for the thrill of pitting one’s powers against it or to satisfy the lust to kill. But game and fish are among the good things that God has provided for man, and therefore it is entirely right and proper to hunt and fish for clothing and food.

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Oh, If Only You Poor Bethelites Had................

by The Searcher in

........obeyed the scriptures you know so well, instead of trying to worship "god's corporation".. (ecclesiastes 5:5) "better for you not to vow than to vow and not pay.".

the corporation is now giving many of you what you agreed to - a life of real poverty!.

your poverty outside of bethel is a wee bit different from the poverty in "satan's world" - where you've just been thrown to fend for yourselves.

Listener

There is more restrictions in that document than a a wedding vow.

It is wrong of a Christian to dedicate themselves to an organisation without, at the very least, having a clause in there specifying that they will only be in subjection to the GB if it does not conflict with god's laws.

It is even worse for the org to request this type of submission without this qualification.

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Bethel layoffs of oldies

by I am a Bible Student in

is this true?

has anyone heard of it?

saw it on my facebook.. "jan. 6 bethel update 108 elderly bethelites getting the boot.. brooklyn, ny.

Listener

I don't know if it is true or not.

If there was a closed meeting and then an announcement that 108 elderly Bethelites were released why would they do that? Surely they would tell those affected first otherwise ever older Bethelite would be anxious. How would they even define who was elderly and why would they single them out in a special announcement?

If most of these elderly are of the anointed class then they would most likely be from the pre 1935 era when all baptized ones were considered anointed. That would make them over 90 years old. Unless, of course, the feeling you are anointed is one of the inflictions that befalls Bethelites. There would be plenty of Bethelites in the 65 to 90 year age range, why wouldn't they have been included in this announcement?

If these elderly ones have been entitled to Social Security Disability, why wouldn't they have already been claiming it whilst at Bethel? If the Government is prepared to give you money that you are entitled to then why wouldn't you claim it? If they didn't want it personally because the org was providing them with enough then they could have given it to the org.

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Warwick Photo Gallery 4 (May Through August 2015)

by wifibandit in

full set: http://imgur.com/a/djhfe.

sample:.

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Listener

It's not like Bethelites, including the GB don't get holiday leave. I think Ray Franz said they got substantially more.

They could use that time to volunteer at the site, just like most other JWs do.

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The new service meeting

by John Aquila in

i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.

it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.

its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.

Listener

These are amazing ladies. Even though they are over 70 years of age all 11 manage to get together at your mums place and in the morning. Did they come in a bus?

They are a very active group, it must be interesting spending time with them. I love how they've even got time to find you a mate.

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"Apostates " how honest are we?

by closed in

as i mentioned in another post i used to serve as an elder for 2 decades.

i was involved in a number of jc.

some i dealt with are good friends now.

Listener

Closed, you state that you are still in. How honest do you feel you are yourself? Do you feel like you are living a lie?

The point here is that there can be many reasons why a person may appear dishonest but if we knew their reasoning we might not think so badly of them.

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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

by slimboyfat in

recent developments make me think they might be.

the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

Listener

Some of us can remember when they stopped people playing music in the congregations and replaced it with recordings. It didn't go down too well.

Now they are stripping away even more from the individual congregations and introducing more recorded videos. It's becoming a little too mechanical and I doubt it's going to help.

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Dis-association Vs Inactivity

by Listener in

is it just me or is this just really bad double talk?.

9.372 moreover, the suggested finding has no connection with preventing or responding to child sexual abuse and, furthermore, appears not to appreciate the difference between disassociation and inactivity.

as was explained, if someone decides to no longer associate with jehovahs witnesses that is a personal decision and no disciplinary action is taken against that person.

Listener

The Hermit, a similar situation happened in my own family. Even more ridiculous because I was never officially disfellowshipped. They needed two witnesses and my sister wouldn't testify. I was shunned but two of my siblings that had never been baptized lived a very interesting life without the same repercussions.

The best thing is not to get baptized in the first place. Pushing to have children baptized is so wrong.

Even if the baptized person stops 'sinning' it makes no difference unless they get re-instated by the Elders.

Very little is left up to the individual conscience